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[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks.." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere..." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality...." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.", ">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.", ">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s", ">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.", ">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s", ">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.", ">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.", ">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s", ">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.", ">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.", ">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!" ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.", ">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s", ">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.", ">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.", ">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!", ">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws." ]

[ "This is sad and fucked up.", ">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.", ">\n\nShit parenting.", ">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.", ">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.", ">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.", ">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.", ">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?", ">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.", ">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.", ">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.", ">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”", ">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.", ">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place", ">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.", ">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.", ">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.", ">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?", ">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.", ">\n\nWhy have the gun?", ">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.", ">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.", ">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling", ">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.", ">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.", ">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.", ">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.", ">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.", ">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?", ">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition", ">\n\nIn Virginia?", ">\n\nI meant on the body", ">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.", ">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.", ">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.", ">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.", ">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings", ">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.", ">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?", ">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next", ">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!", ">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!", ">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.", ">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......", ">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.", ">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..", ">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.", ">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.", ">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area", ">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...", ">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz", ">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.", ">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…", ">\n\nNewport news is nasty.", ">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.", ">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them", ">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.", ">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"", ">\n\nLmao good one", ">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol", ">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old", ">\n\nI thought that was a fact too", ">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.", ">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.", ">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck", ">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.", ">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.", ">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.", ">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case", ">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1", ">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”", ">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.", ">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.", ">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.", ">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?", ">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.", ">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.", ">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.", ">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.", ">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?", ">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.", ">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.", ">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.", ">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔", ">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.", ">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.", ">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.", ">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!", ">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away", ">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.", ">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?", ">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.", ">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.", ">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.", ">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?", ">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently", ">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.", ">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh", ">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!", ">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.", ">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans", ">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!", ">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....", ">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.", ">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.", ">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.", ">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.", ">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.", ">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.", ">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.", ">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.", ">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.", ">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.", ">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.", ">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!", ">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.", ">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.", ">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.", ">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.", ">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.", ">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.", ">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order", ">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.", ">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅", ">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.", ">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District", ">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.", ">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?", ">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.", ">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s", ">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.", ">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.", ">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!", ">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.", ">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up" ]