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I think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before | [
"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic"
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Probably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase"
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Just another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns.
Everyone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.
Regarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.
Millions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.
P.S. I grew up on a farm with guns.
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s"
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Did this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?
Guessing no.
Which is why I'm for a gun ban.
We all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit. | [
"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America."
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So when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.
So yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄"
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In an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???
I mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done. | [
"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE..."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia...."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?"
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Could it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂"
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If only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old.
More guns, more guns is always the answer.
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence."
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How on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???
This isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!
What kind of parent allows this to happen?!
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves…."
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The district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.
Of these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.
This recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.
The article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.
My point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc. | [
"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?"
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I’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.
Funny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!
And heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar.
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away."
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I agree. My way is much better.
You'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing. | [
"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea."
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We don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed. | [
"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing.",
">\n\nWe don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing.",
">\n\nWe don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed.",
">\n\nSchool related? Sounds vague and like we're missing some of the story"
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing.",
">\n\nWe don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed.",
">\n\nSchool related? Sounds vague and like we're missing some of the story",
">\n\nThe only thing that can stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing.",
">\n\nWe don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed.",
">\n\nSchool related? Sounds vague and like we're missing some of the story",
">\n\nThe only thing that can stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun.",
">\n\nBet there's no father in the picture."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing.",
">\n\nWe don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed.",
">\n\nSchool related? Sounds vague and like we're missing some of the story",
">\n\nThe only thing that can stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun.",
">\n\nBet there's no father in the picture.",
">\n\nOh, I bet there is. A worthless one."
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"This is sad and fucked up.",
">\n\nThis is the only instance where I genuinely feel bad for the victim and the perpetrator. How on earth did this kid get a gun? Imagine ruining your life at six years old before you can even comprehend that you have a whole “life” ahead of you.",
">\n\nShit parenting.",
">\n\nThis right here. He didn’t just have the gun at six, but it was loaded, and he shot it. Which means he’s probably shot it before. At six.",
">\n\nSpaceTabs said it best “shit parenting” My daughter had a .22 caliber rifle at the age of 8. Gun safety was and is paramount. She was taught range procedures when we went target shooting. Annnnd she hunts. ALL of our firearms are unloaded secured in a safe that of which only I have the combination.",
">\n\nAnnnnnnd none of that training matters when someone else's shit kid shoots your kid in the face during second period finger painting.",
">\n\nJerddd…I get your point…and WON’T disagree with you at all…trust me. I was commenting on what I do as a parent to NOT contribute to the ongoing problem. It’s the other shit, dumb-ass, irresponsible parents that NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.",
">\n\nLet me throw a hypothetical situation at you. Let's say you've gone through all the firearm safety lessons you can with your daughter. A few years later as a teenager she ends up getting bullied relentlessly at school and makes a horrible, hormone fueled mistake and takes a gun to school and shoots her bully. Do you still think you would need to be held accountable even though you tried to instill proper firearm education to her?",
">\n\nPresumably his guns are locked up. Any kid hell bent on shooting someone can find a gun, but this Virginia shooting is entirely the \"parents'\" fault.",
">\n\nThis is the point. In most first world countries they can't find a gun even if they are hell bent on shooting someone.",
">\n\nYou know what’s a guarantee in all of these cases? There were multiple warning signs, massive amounts of documentation from the teachers and possibly other personnel. You know what was done about it? Jack shit; because that’s what happens every time one of these goes on. \nIt’s a bureaucratic failure of the highest order just to baby our most vulnerable children without giving any real help.",
">\n\nIt’s too easy for all of those not blessed with experience in childhood education bureaucracy to just write you off as disgruntled parent/teacher/admin; people NEED to know how bullshit ineffectual the buck-passing is even in situations like this that will inevitably lead to one-of-those-kids-we-all-know harming themselves, another child or some other innocent. \nIn the current environment, those best able to sweep this bullshit under the rug advance to the ONLY positions empowered to do shit about it. Denial is killing children. Praying for zombie Robin Williams or Sid Poitier to arise and guide each child towards a safe path won’t help- no teacher has a phone booth and superhero cape. \nIt’s OK for your kid to rat on their wee playmate with a gun. I was five when I found the key, undid the trigger lock and tried to put 30-30 rounds I found in dad’s underwear drawer in the Luger I overheard was hidden in the shed. That Luger reeked of linseed oil and cosmoline and how the hell did I know that I should put bullets in a gun? My mom found me hiding under my covers with it and thank fuck the big rifle rounds didn’t fit, I hadn’t yet found the Winchester and dad had zero ammo for the Luger. But I had that pistol open and ready to load. I didn’t even hate anybody then-I loved my teachers. Thanks to my mom the guns left the house. \nI totally understand how a six year old could go from “teacher embarrassed me” to “gotta kill teacher.” I am shocked that more people don’t remember when they were six. Or recognize that some six year olds are scary clever. All you need to add to perfectly normal circumstances are gun and ammo. Could have been me at six. Some asshole’s going to blame the child seeing a hip hop video about “some bitch betray ya- ya know ya gotta spray her” but even if true, that’s the weakest fucking bullshit link in this chain of events. You limp dick second amendment motherfuckers just about killed that teacher, and half of you would have praised the teacher if they had been armed and blew away a three foot tall “bad guy.”",
">\n\nI'm sorry but this is horseshit. I was bullied relentlessly as a child by mostly children, but also some adults/teachers. I knew exactly where the guns were and how to load them at 6 years old and killing someone never even crossed my mind at that age.\nIt is extremely unnatural for a child that young to intentionally try to kill someone.",
">\n\nWhat makes you think every kid is like you at the same age ? There's a metric fuck ton of variables to take into account, but in the end of the day, having access to a firearm is what enables a person to use it in the first place",
">\n\nThe incredibly small number of incidents where a young child uses a gun to intentionally hurt someone. There have been like 16 instances in the past 20 years and while inaccessibility prevents it yes, I'd be willing to bet a ton that the RATE of 6 year olds with access to a gun INTENTIONALLY hurting someone with it is way lower than a 12 year old. Stupid people like this aren't hiding their guns for their 6 year old just to leave them around in later years.\nAll I'm saying is that it is EXTREMELY abnormal for a 6 year old to genuinely want to kill someone and then actually make a real attempt to do it. Apparently according to Reddit though, 6 year olds in America can easily go from upset to murderous.",
">\n\nWant to slow this down? Charge the owner of that weapon with assault with a deadly weapon, negligence, and whatever else someone who actually pulled the trigger would have been charged with. \nWe hear about “responsible gun ownership” all the time. Well, this was clearly irresponsible gun ownership as a 6 year old was able to get their hands on the weapon. So, let’s start holding those gun owners responsible for how their weapons are used regardless of if the weapon was in their possession or not.",
">\n\nI'm on board with this. My guns are in a safe and unloaded. I don't even have kids.",
">\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder? Isn’t the point of a gun to protect you at home?",
">\n\n\nWhat are you going to do if there’s an intruder?\n\nCall 911 and ensure that the intruder doesn't get a free gun, and the cops don't shoot me.",
">\n\nWhy have the gun?",
">\n\nSome people go to the range to shoot their guns, some people hunt.",
">\n\nHaving a gun with the intention to shoot on people is kind of scary.",
">\n\nYou all are talking about guns, but you're missing the point. Educators are not respected. They can't tell the truth about their community either. It's NEVER the kid's fault. It's NEVER the parent's fault. It's ALWAYS the teacher's or the school's fault. This country is going down because there is no accountability for being a parent, a student, or a member of a community\n*edit - as many of you pointed out, yes guns are a major problem. Guns make it easier to cause harm and there should be legislation to help. But guns or no guns, education in this country is crumbling",
">\n\n100% agreed. And if anyone here doesn’t, go sit in on some classes (especially middle school and high school), and see for yourself. Kids threaten teachers, hit them, hit each other, steal stuff, disrupt class, and each kid is ready to whip their phone out and record the teacher inevitably losing their temper, and then bam! All the teacher’s fault. \nI’ve seen it, lived it, have teacher friends living it now, and a teacher mother who lived it. Parents expect teachers to do all the parenting with none of the freedom of being a parent, and all the consequences of someone who shouldn’t even be near their kids.\nIt’s pretty bullshit, really.",
">\n\nI’m assuming there’s a correlation between being digital/social media natives and this behavior. I graduated public high school in 2010 and it was never, ever that bad. Obviously there were the hallway fights and kids mouthing off in class, but threatening a teacher would’ve gotten you an immediate suspension, at minimum.",
">\n\nMy husband said it was around 2012 or 2013 when he noticed things taking a turn for the worse. Before that, if he asked you to put your phone away, you might bitch about it while putting your phone away. Now, he'll get a \"fuck you. You can't stop me.\" Kids rarely get suspended for any phone related stuff.\nThis is just phones. Everything else, he said, has gotten worse as well.",
">\n\nCursing in class would have resulted in severe punishment in 2007 when I graduated. At least a one day suspension. Telling a teacher to fuck off over a cell phone would have been at least a week.",
">\n\nI have to say “please don’t use the F word in class” probably 8 times a day. I never ever ever changes, no matter how many times I ask, no matter how nicely I say it. And that’s all I’m allowed to do is ask; I can’t give any sort of consequence.",
">\n\nI’m genuinely asking so sorry if this comes off as rude, but why even bother asking at that point?",
">\n\nDoes anyone know where she was hit? All I can find is condition",
">\n\nIn Virginia?",
">\n\nI meant on the body",
">\n\nHer abdomen and her hand.",
">\n\nI'm sure the NRA position is every teacher, school staffer and student should be required to bring a gun to school.",
">\n\nImagine if a teacher shot a 6yo?\nWait, maybe it would get some attention.",
">\n\nThey'll suggest arming the kids to protect themselves against armed teachers who are protecting themselves against armed kids. There's no solution for these geniuses which doesn't involve yet more guns, for some reason.",
">\n\nMaybe if we get rid of schools there will be no more school shootings",
">\n\nThat's something the crazy home school crowd is fond of pointing out.",
">\n\nIf they’re home schooled isn’t the home the school? If so, would any shooting in that home then constitute a school shooting?",
">\n\nThen we would likely end up with more home shootings. I guess we need to get rid of homes next",
">\n\nShootings involving homeless people would be through the roof!",
">\n\nWe need to arm the homeless. It's our only hope!",
">\n\nI lived in Portsmouth not far from NN and lemme just say,\nShits real rough up there.",
">\n\nWtf is the courts going to do with this kid? Is there a juvenile school for kindergarten students......",
">\n\nLikely he will be placed in juvenile facility for “treatment” by the state and tossed on his butt to the curb when he turns 18. Doubt they’d even try/convict him of the crime due to his extreme young age so he will be in juvenile or foster care until age 18. Parents may or may not be convicted of a crime. It’s rare. May lose a civil case brought by the teacher but may not get more than lost custody in criminal court.",
">\n\nwith everyone dead, you can cut education funding even more.\nsimple economics, folks..",
">\n\nThere are tons of gun incidents at schools that are kept hushed up. My son's middle school in Birmingham had two in the first two weeks of school in the Fall. Publicizing these incidents should be mandatory for the sake of student safety. If parents don't know what is going on, no one has to spend money on student safety or discipline.",
">\n\nThere’s a reason it’s called Bad News. I lived in that area for many years. It’s a great area and I miss it. But, it had a violence problem like this far a long time.",
">\n\nI was gonna say. People are making this into a bigger deal, but it would most likely be the same in Chicago or baltamore. New port news is a bad area",
">\n\nIt's always five o'glock somewhere...",
">\n\nthis reads like it could be a line from Hot Fuzz",
">\n\n\nIn Sept. 2021 a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway inside Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, according to NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia.\nThe shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the outlet.\n\nThat should be much much longer.\nThis softness on gun crime is insane.",
">\n\nAnyone who knows Newport News is not surprised… sadly…",
">\n\nNewport news is nasty.",
">\n\nI know the area. I spent 10 years going to the gym more or less across the street from this school (Riverside Fitness and Wellness), back when there was a Chi-Chi’s and Long John Silvers in the closest shopping center. It was not a great area in the ‘90s and it has gone downhill since then. The further south you go in NN, the worse it gets. Richneck/Denbigh is about mid-to-upper NN, so you can definitely do worse than this area. Still, I’m not surprised to hear this kind of news about it.",
">\n\nThats fine, just gift every 3 year old a gun. That will make it much safer for everyone.\nOr even better, Handgrenades. So every child can stop even a group of attackers.\nI would ask for Abrahams tanks, but i guess 3 year old are too young to drive them",
">\n\nAh yes, Abrahams tanks. Not to be confused with Abrams tanks.",
">\n\n\"Four score and twenty bodies ago...\"",
">\n\nLmao good one",
">\n\nThe teacher wasn't \"allegedly\" shot... lol",
">\n\nThe teacher was shot, that’s a fact. She was “allegedely” shot by the 6 year old",
">\n\nI thought that was a fact too",
">\n\nI mean it is… but since it’s a crime, journalists state it as alleged until “proven” in a court of law. I don’t know if there are libel/slander laws that dictate they behave this way, but that’s the basic idea.",
">\n\nNot really but also kind of yes, but they're not specified. They just want to be on the safe side, like \"any similarities to real events and persons is purely coincidental\" at the end of a movie. It's not required but it's no work to be absolutely sure that nothing will happen than to leave it out and suddenly have a million dollar lawsuit on you just because you were too lazy to write a single word or sentence.",
">\n\nplease arrest both parents, what the absolute fuck",
">\n\nTeachers aren’t babysitters they’re educators, ignorant parents think otherwise.",
">\n\nKids are resourceful. When i was 4-5yo i could find my parents' medicines be it on top of cabinets, wardrobe, fridge etc you name it, i could climb them. I would suck the sugar coats then spit out the rests. \nI also had access to riffle & bullets that my dad put everywhere. Somehow he locked the trigger (? He said so) and i wasn't interested to gun much anyway. \nMy parents are reckless & i was resourceful. \nTo parents out there : don't underestimate kids. Put those stuff in locked cabinets.",
">\n\nSounds like they have a gun problem.",
">\n\nNah, guns don’t cause gun related crimes. How thick are you?\n/s just in case",
">\n\nb-but this six year old would’ve just bought a gun off the black market if they were illegal!1!1",
">\n\n“…if proposed regulation actually offered gun owners something in exchange, you’d likely see more positive response.”\nIf fewer dead children and teachers not getting shot at school isn’t enough incentive for gun fetishists to rethink their position, what exactly would it take? And why should the onus be on the sane members of a society to bribe those who have so clearly and consistently demonstrated an absolute lack of conscience? \nTo quote an actual American patriot: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.”",
">\n\nAfter working through the pandemic I’ve realize that a lot of people in this world are very selfish and will literally only do something that benefits them in some way. Other people not getting hurt isn’t a good enough incentive because what’s in it for THEM? Just like wearing masks if you’re “not afraid of covid” they won’t wear it to protect other people but will come to the hospital to get treated the minute that THEY get sick.",
">\n\nThe Chesapeake WalMart mass shooting is only about 20 minutes away from Newport News also. And a few years ago there was a mass shooting at a Virginia Beach City office about half an hour away.",
">\n\nThey don't call NN \"Bad News\" for nothing. Inexcusable, but the area in question is dangerous as it is.",
">\n\nThat school has has had more shooting incidents in 17 months than my country has had in 20 years. How does America not see the problem here?",
">\n\nI grew up in the 757 this doesn't shock me at all.",
">\n\nKeep voting R and enabling the nonsense.",
">\n\nRepublicans, believe it or not, also don’t like school shootings. Crazy huh?\nEdit: Not going down the debate rabbit hole with an online mob. I just think liberals often like to perpetuate this strange notion that Republicans are actively encouraging mass shootings with the way that they vote. Like they’re enjoying all this chaos. \nWell, they, like y’all, vote in a way that they believe is best for the security of this country. The two parties just have different ideas of how to solve this violent problem we have. It’s the same with abortion. The issue is more nuanced than many of you realize. If you can’t see both sides, then I’d argue you’re simply disingenuous.\nI’m not religious, but the biggest part of loving thy neighbor is to understand them first. Stop hating people because they vote differently than you. Show kindness. We’re all Americans. One love.",
">\n\nrepublicans don't like school shootings, and it's just entirely coincidental that their policies and ideas facilitate school shootings, is that right? \nNo. \nYou're not going to reduce the number of mass murders by increasing the number of guns, or reducing the number of doors, or arming teachers or any of that. \nalso fuck off with that \"one love AmericA\" bullshit. \nIt's disingenuous. \nrepublicans are out here pretending minorities dont even have the right exist and I'm supposed to be cool with that? \nHell No.",
">\n\nThat last paragraph. Would you mind expanding on that?",
">\n\nI’m not sure if you’re being genuinely curious or not and I’m not OP, but I can easily share some examples of this as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. \nLook at the Don’t Say Gay law that was passed in Florida. This was a blatant attempt at LGBTQ+ erasure with intentionally vague language that would put teacher’s jobs in jeopardy for even acknowledging the fact that queer people exist. Please also review the numerous anti-trans bathroom bills introduced in several red states. These laws attempt to hide their bigotry behind “save the children” nonsense when all they do is discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. They actively try to deny the existence of these marginalized groups and are punitive by nature. \nAssume you must be international or not tuned into politics much as it’s pretty common knowledge in the US that legislators in Republican Party are actively hostile against minority groups and propose legislation that actively discriminate against or try to erase these groups altogether. There’s a reason that white Americans are the only racial demographic the GOP has a majority in, and with recent trends it will only have a majority amongst white men. All of the minority demographics vote overwhelmingly Democrat because of the Republican’s open hostility and poor track record with minority rights.",
">\n\nExcellent reply, but, uh….they weren’t being genuinely curious.",
">\n\nTrue. I just love woke rants. Brilliantly cringe, every time.",
">\n\nTook me a while, but I finally finished up my count of all the school shootings we have had here in Australia in the last 40 years. It was zero.\nAnd we even have the same mental health problems/little turd 6yo's The US has.\nI wonder what makes our outcomes, or lack of, different over here? 🤔",
">\n\nThere was the Monash University shooting about 20 years ago.",
">\n\nTime to ban all 6 year olds.\nSorry, son. It’s for the betterment of the future.",
">\n\nMy partner worked for this district for around six years. He lost 14 students to gun violence in that time. And those were just kids he taught, not totally number of shooting deaths.",
">\n\nBut guns aren't a problem whatsoever people! This doesn't happen anywhere as often as other countries with stricter gun laws but trust me! It's not the guns!",
">\n\n...a tool built specifically to kill.\nYou can't hammer a nail with a gun (well, technically you can but it's super inefficient since a gun's only purpose is to kill)\nAnd before you bring up knives, they are used for cutting food and there are knives specifically made for hunting/killing, but those knives don't launch 20 pellets of lead at super high speeds directly through someone in a single second from 30 feet away",
">\n\nHunting is literally just killing something for food. And while mental health is a huge problem and we need to deal with it, we also need to prevent any current and future sickos from such easy access to weapons as powerful as guns. At least you can defend yourself against a knife.\nAnd murder rates are actually decreased in places that have strict gun laws. I agree with the right to own a gun for self defense however you must understand the need for better security around who buys guns because as of now, almost anyone can just pick up a gun while ordering a sandwich at Walmart.",
">\n\ndo american not know the notion of \"locking up your firearms\"? are trigger locks and gun safes expensive in that country?",
">\n\nMy father taught me gun safety from a very young age. An adult couldn't always be home to protect me, and if someone broke in I would be virtually defenseless without a firearm. It wasn't in my reach when he wasn't home before I was around 9 or 10. I was going dove hunting with him and my grandfather since I was 5. I understood mortality and the dangers of mishandling guns.\nMy case is different as im not mentally unstable, and neither was I back then. But when there is obviously something wrong going on with your child, like depressive episodes, sociopathy, psychopathy, fits of rage, or skinning cats, you should probably not leave your gun where your kid could grab it.\nAlso, trigger locks and safes aren't my thing. The amount of time from me grabbing my gun and being ready to fire needs to be the shortest amount of time possible, my life is on the line.",
">\n\nMy dude, if you're to the point where seconds matter against a home invader, odds are, it was already too late. Lock that shit up or don't own one at all.",
">\n\nI live alone, I don't understand why it matters what I do and don't do when it comes to storing my guns in my room.",
">\n\nAt that point why not wear it at all times? Seconds matter, right?",
">\n\nI've never really considered that, it seems impractical. I seriously doubt I could draw from that position quicker than I could just reach over to my nightstand. And yes seconds matter when it comes to me remembering a password, or having to fetch a key and fiddle with a mechanism after being woken up at 3am by the sounds of glass shattering to protect my gun from myself.\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place, I live here and want to protect myself from said suckyness, and I'm the bad guy? Even if you think guns should be banned or whatever, do you not trust yourself to not play russian roulette or whatever with your own gun? I don't need to lock it up, it's mine, I've trained with it, and nobody else lives here permanently",
">\n\n\nI dont get why this is so strange to some of you, you think america sucks and is a bad place\n\nI've never even given a violent home invasion a second thought. Even excluding guns, I don't feel the need to protect my home more than a locked door; I often leave windows open while sleeping. Any home invader would be after my TV and not wanting to kill me anyway.",
">\n\nA 6yo has the ability to do many things, like take a city bus somewere and return home safely... a good parent would not let their child do that alone of course, but this society, and possibly in this child's home, he learned how to kill and that killing is an option to eliminate a person he did not like. That is what America has become and it is incredibly sad and difficult to live here. Would a good guy with a gun have taken out the bad 6yo with a gun? smh",
">\n\nAnyone want to explain what a six year old is doing with a gun... In school?!",
">\n\nSources per the teachers and the victim have said she alerted officials of the students threats, and the student was even penalized by being reduced from full days at school to half days. The officials new the threats, and penalized the student but apparently did not take this seriously and it resulted to violence. How many time does this sort of thing have to happen before it's taken seriously. People have failed to act, and failed to use metal detectors. They want to blame the community, and push political agenda. The school needs to take responsibility. Implement metal detectors and take threats seriously. The officials that failed to take this seriously should be fired immediately.",
">\n\nGuns aren't the problem, 6-year-olds are. -Republicans",
">\n\nIf we defund schools then we defund school shootings! Problem solved!",
">\n\nI wonder what parents raise children to do if they come into the world with this mentality....",
">\n\nIt’s an American’s right to be able to take someone else’s life anytime the want and you can’t take that from them.",
">\n\neasy solution, just arm the other kids. only way to combat bad actors is by arming good actors, more guns less problems, duh.",
">\n\nTo all.the teachers out there just remember, you can't care more about a students education than they do. Focus on the good ones , let the rest rot.",
">\n\nI haven't been a middle school teacher for 25 years now, but that's both a true enough sentiment in the back of your mind and very tough for those who care to actually do. I wanted so badly to help improve the lives of the kids in there from harrowing backgrounds and it was impossible to do enough. I lasted 2 years before burning out big time.",
">\n\nEducation and medicine are two areas where I think the system relies on the love of person doing the work and takes advantage of that.",
">\n\n100%. Wouldn't it be something if other occupations had the same thing applied to them? \"These bankers shouldn't be doing it for the money,\" and then make their pay barely worth the degree and time and effort, if that.",
">\n\nAnyone else getting tired of shitty parenting? All these people talk about gun licenses… we should talk about a parental license. Not everyone should or can be a parent, but every child deserves a parent who cares for, supports them and guides them responsibly. I don’t care if you’re in the hood or in the heartland of America — the common denominator are parents who fail to raise their kids into decent people and who fail to keep their firearm securely stored. \nLook at other countries with high firearm ownership, such as Switzerland. What do they have that we don’t in America? Hint: It’s a community-wide respect for guns and a love for family and community.",
">\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\nThe US is the wild west, a backward culture where guns are celebrated as an image of manhood, our average gunowner is a dickless manlet who doesnt care about proper gun storage cause he needs that gun within reach the next time he has a nightmare and his mom isnt there to swaddle him.\nActual trained reserve soldiers and strict regulations vs. A country that treats guns like a toy and male accessory.",
">\n\n\nSwitzerland has ridiculously strict gun storage regulations, they are an actual well regulated militia with very strict firearm laws and punishments.\n\nBy court ruling your locked front door is enough for safe storage. You can store your firearms by hanging them on the wall. It's not illegal to store them loaded.\nThere is an army, not a militia (militias are illegal in Switzerland). \nYou can buy an AR15 and a couple of handguns faster than if you live in California. \nI suggest /r/SwitzerlandGuns if you have any particular questions.",
">\n\nProbably a bad area. Doubt the school has anything to do with it.",
">\n\nNever happens in Australia. Gun control works.",
">\n\nI am starting to think we really should be doing something about the guns and their use…\nLiberal Gun Owners and other firearm users, I beseech you!\nI am not a gun owner so I ask for your guidance.\nWhat should would be doing about this?\nEdit: thanks for the insights!",
">\n\n1) hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. Negligence leading to homicide is still homicide.\n2) actually dig into the motivations of the perpetrators, and address the underlying issues. If we dont, and we simply magic wish the guns away, we'll be trading mass shootings for bombings. ANFO is laughably easy to make, and these kids aren't dumb.\nI know this case in question involves a 6 year old, but it's an outlier. Response 1 is the real answer in this particular case.",
">\n\nAlso an extension to (1), In my state, provisions are required so children have no access to firearms. In storage, they should have trigger locks.",
">\n\nThis concession is so funny to me. Why have small firearms at all if it’s always stored and locked away. To me it just highlights how much guns are just dangerous toys.",
">\n\nThe Utah murder suicide this week also highlights most victims are within the family.",
">\n\nThere was a big study done in California, too.\n\nIn their article, Studdert and colleagues (3) report a study that included more than 17.6 million California adults and found a substantial increased risk for death by homicide among the 595 448 adults who did not own a gun but started living with a handgun owner during the study period. Rates of homicide were more than twice as high among these adults than among those who did not live with a handgun owner (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). Further, cohabitants of handgun owners had a sevenfold higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner, and 84% of such victims were women.",
">\n\nRather than arming teachers being armed, it seems like parents should be disarmed and these parents in particular tried for gross negligence and being utterly vacuous as thinking humans.",
">\n\nThank god their governor campaigned on getting CRT out of schools. Glad his priorities are in order",
">\n\n150 million gunowners and counting and 450+ million guns. What possibly can go wrong.",
">\n\nAn Eagle soars above. USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 \n🦅",
">\n\nBuy a gun safe, lock up your guns. Encourage others to do the same. It's really not that hard to understand.",
">\n\nWe were all losing sight that this was Worldstar County School District",
">\n\nI hope whomever that child got that weapon from is held as an accessory to attempted murder. Accountability for this has to be placed with the adults who should have been more responsible.",
">\n\nI don't understand how this keeps happening in these gun-free zones! Doesn't that mean it's against the law to posses a gun on school grounds?",
">\n\nRichneck was one of the very Newport News districts that voted Trump. Go figure 🤷♂️",
">\n\nGun lovers have made this a shit hole county. Every day, hundreds of people are shot. “A few bad people make us all look bad”, is a bullshit argument. We got rid of slavery, we’re working on racism, let’s get rid of guns. Yes, there are lots, but it’s possible. I’m so proud of my son leaving this country. If my roots weren’t here, I’d leave too. Instead, I use my vote but the fascists want to nullify that too.",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had a gun herself this wouldn't have happened /s",
">\n\nNew study units for student teachers:\nFirepower 101. Body armour for Kindergarten teachers. The philosophy of pedagogy and hollow points: when lessons need to be written in blood for the prepubescent.",
">\n\nAllegedly?! WTF? The kid did. That’s a fact.",
">\n\nIf a six year old has access to a loaded gun, then is able to leave the house with it, it’s the parents fault 100000% of the time. I am ok with the 2nd amendment however there must be some common sense here people. Guns need locks, if it’s unlocked it should be on the owner at all times. Problem solved!",
">\n\nFuck anyone who opposes common sense gun laws.",
">\n\nMy earliest memory of my dad is him taking me to learn how to shoot a pellet gun to learn gun safety as well as showing me how there was no way in hell I was getting into the gun safe at his house. If you’re going to be in a household with kids and guns, teach them safety and keep them locked up",
">\n\nIt's approximately 75 percent black and Hispanic",
">\n\nI think the downvotes are because you are using absolute numbers rather than per capitia, which tends to be done by people who have never used statistics before",
">\n\nProbably need metal detectors for bags, quicker to do scans in an elementary school unless there is a line of concealed carry holsters for kids I don't know about\nEDIT: Person below me is karmawhoring with a lie. READ THE ARTICLE",
">\n\nThere's a line where they give out a free pistol with every chocolate milk purchase",
">\n\nThe America the GOP wants…",
">\n\nJust another day in America. This country is fucking bonkers about guns. \nEveryone talks around the problem because people can’t let go of their guns: it’s the fault of the teacher, it’s the fault of the parents, it’s the fault of violent video games. No it’s not. It’s the fault of having more guns than people. Anyone with impulse control issues has access to weapons at anytime. I don’t care if you are a responsible gun owner. There are a shit load of people who are not. You are never going to fix the problem if you are unwilling to see it.\nRegarding mental health care, yes we need it, but it’s not going to do shit for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed frontal lobe. The only thing that fixes that is time.\nMillions raised for a football player having a heart attack, but how much raised for a teacher shot by her student? Where is the generosity for her? I swear this country is the upside down.\nP.S. I grew up on a farm with guns. \nThis concludes my rant that will do nothing to fix this problem.",
">\n\nno weapons, no shooting like the rest of the sane world",
">\n\nI like when people downvote me for just telling an obvious truth, you psychos",
">\n\nJust the price we pay for living in a free society/s",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t doing a good job teaching their children.",
">\n\nDid this SIX YEAR OLD baby legally purchase the gun?\nGuessing no. \nWhich is why I'm for a gun ban. \nWe all have heard the Rambo wannabes. In reality, having guns in circulation leads to this type of shit.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck America.",
">\n\nBro, the country only gets more degenerate every day.",
">\n\nSo when are the gun advocates going to roll out the “arm teachers” mantra. “If she had had a gun she could of taken the 6 year old out”.\nSo yes there were obviously social care failings but at the end of the day you always are going to get those and people expressing abnormal behaviours. You cannot remove that. But what you could try and remove are peoples access to tools designed for killing people.\nI just hope maintaining profits for gun manufacturers is worth the cost.",
">\n\nIf only there were some way to stop it. Alas.",
">\n\nyOu CaNt TaKe OuR gUnS… only in America my friends.",
">\n\nBut hey everyone, it’s CRT that’s the issue in schools /s",
">\n\nIt makes you think that maybe red voters can't govern themselves and are largely stupid",
">\n\nGun advocates: the answer to this is… we need more guns!\nTo keep stupid people from pro-creating! 🙄",
">\n\nAnd people want to defund the DoE...",
">\n\nIn an article it was stated that Virginia doesn’t try 6 year olds as adults. Are there states that try 6 year olds???\nI mean this is horrific but the kid is 6 years old for crying out loud! I’m not sure the kid understands fully what they’ve done.",
">\n\nI assume the distinctions are either minors or non minors. The states that do likely have a clause that try minor as non minors in case of serious crimes like attempted Murder, Rape, and etc likely arent expecting the minor to be 6 nd are likely expecting 15 to 17.",
">\n\nWTF, 'Murrica. It only took three child deaths for lawn darts to get banned, and AFAIK nobody has ever died to a Kinder Surprise.",
">\n\nGuns, everywhere. \nMust have a large well regulated militia....",
">\n\nSans the \"well regulated\" part apparently.",
">\n\nIs this a district that has qanon nuts on the school board?",
">\n\nSounds like we need to buy more guns to protect ourselves from more guns. /s",
">\n\nCould it be that there aren't enough good guys with guns?\n[Edit] it was a joke, JFC 😂😂",
">\n\nYou mean that they should have shot the kid?",
">\n\nIf only the teacher had been armed, she could have defended herself against the six-year old. \nMore guns, more guns is always the answer. \nIt's also the answer to the arms industry profits. The US arms industry is owed its profits.",
">\n\nTeachers en masse need to walk off the job until there is real gun reform.",
">\n\nAnd the us now: We should give everyone a weapon for free for self defence.",
">\n\nI mean, if we just gave the teacher a gun, they could’ve defended themselves. /s",
">\n\nHow on earth did a 6-year old get their hands on a gun???\nThis isn't a problem with the law or policy, it's a problem that the adults around this child allowed this to happen!\nWhat kind of parent allows this to happen?!\nI am shocked.",
">\n\nI’d like to solve the puzzle Pat",
">\n\nYeah, when my kid gets here we are not sending them to public schools. Fuck that.",
">\n\nWelcome to Newport News. Aside from that if you blame anything but the parents here you’re just plain dumb.",
">\n\nWhich is why wE nEeD mOrE gUnS tO pRoTeCt OuRsElVeS smh",
">\n\nAnd they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession in droves….",
">\n\nThere are daily if not hourly mass shootings all across America, and Republicans are like but what about trans kids?",
">\n\nThe district covers a population of 185,000 people. Per 100,000 people, in the US each year, 16 children aged 1-14 die from various causes. Meaning in the previous 17 months you’re looking at about 42 deaths aged 1-14.\nOf these three shootings: one was a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old in a parking lot after a football game (it was unclear in the article I read if both people were students at the school in this case). The second was a 16 year old shooting two others, actually during school this time.\nThis recent shooting is crazy. How a 6 year old gets a gun is beyond me (I have a 6 year old right now-he…yeah no, not happening). But it’s also an EXTREME outlier.\nThe article makes it sound like this district has a bunch of “school shootings” happening when really-it’s two, over a year apart, and no one died in either of them. And this is out of 29 schools, with 26,000+ students.\nMy point isn’t that these should be ignored, but calling for 10,000 elementary students under 10 years old to be checked daily with metal detectors and searches because a couple of almost-adult teens and a one-in-200,000,000 6 year old is probably overreacting. There are definitely less extreme options that would have other benefits for the students like better resources for bullied kids, programs to keep them out of gangs, etc.",
">\n\nI read somewhere that the kid brought bullets to school last week.",
">\n\nThe school & NRAs position is that 'nothing stops a 1st Grader with a gun like a kindergarten teacher with a bigger gun'. To the NRA the 2nd amendment is more important than your right to safety, security or common sense!",
">\n\nMaybe install some metal detectors?",
">\n\nDo you really expect society to put up metal detectors everywhere because these parents can't keep their guns away from a 6-year-old? Personal responsibility. Hope they lose their freedom, gun rights and their children are taken away.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure the parents are gonna take the blame on this AND that we should ALSO put up barriers to protect our children just as we do with, you know, our jewelry shops, our banks, our politicians, our judges, our airports, our police departments, and military stations.\nFunny how we can “spare no expense” to ward off attacks against these adults’ lives in these places, but when it comes to our kids, meh, just some wood and glass doors are a-okay! You have numerous mass hooters spelling it out for you in their own manifestos that they chose these soft targets because (drum roll) they’re soft!\nAnd heaven forbid if the states spent some of that gun-control gravy train money on putting up actual billboards reminding adults of the importance of securing their firearms, on subsidizing gun safe handling classes at local ranges, and encouraging people to become better, safer humans in lieu of the constant battle cry for mOrE gUn LaWs! that existing police departments already wont/can’t enforce even when it’s on their radar. \nYeah, let’s do it your way. Great idea.",
">\n\nI agree. My way is much better. \nYou'll notice I didn't call for any new gun laws, just that gun owners take personal responsibility when they are negligent with their firearms. If you read my post history you'll see I'm very pro gun. The idea that we can harden the entire world and make everything a safe space isn't realistic, especially when people can't be expected to take the bare minimum precautions that allowed a 6 year old to gain access to a gun and for it not to be noticed missing.",
">\n\nWe don’t disagree on the parental responsibility angle, but if you’re against hardening schools because that’s a bridge too far, okay, how about we remove those metal detectors from one group on the aforementioned list, and donate them to the schools instead? No new taxes and protected children over protected adults who can, in many states, carry concealed.",
">\n\nSchool related? Sounds vague and like we're missing some of the story",
">\n\nThe only thing that can stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun.",
">\n\nBet there's no father in the picture.",
">\n\nOh, I bet there is. A worthless one.",
">\n\nWhy is there always some shit happening in virginia"
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"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
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">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch."
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It really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent."
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"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship."
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"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke."
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They can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history."
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Urinal cakes. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room."
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It means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes."
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"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker."
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"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes."
] |
>
Bruh teeing up fate like that... | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk"
] |
>
Diving head-first into the woodchipper of fate. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that..."
] |
>
“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate."
] |
>
No one ever said the speaker could speak | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone"
] |
>
Unintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak"
] |
>
Nobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true."
] |
>
the first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody."
] |
>
Can’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s"
] |
>
I get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor
It's a pyrrhic victory at best | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it."
] |
>
The annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best"
] |
>
I mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership."
] |
>
What can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House."
] |
>
How many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate? | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default."
] |
>
Less than 5. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?"
] |
>
$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5."
] |
>
I’d pay to see that. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor."
] |
>
This might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that."
] |
>
I dont know why people keep asking "why Democrats didnt do this or that?" or "what could the democrats have done?"
Republicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span."
] |
>
It's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.
You cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).
The thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to"
] |
>
I hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again."
] |
>
Gen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen."
] |
>
I remember being told "as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.
Here's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did."
] |
>
No doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.
Or maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?
I know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not."
] |
>
Or maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?
Exactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started."
] |
>
Cannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th
Although I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself."
] |
>
Congress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th"
] |
>
The amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and "owning the Libs" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well."
] |
>
Resist the urge to explain the obvious and let them "own" us like this for the next two years. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in."
] |
>
Republicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession
Elderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA! | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years."
] |
>
Did you say gender affirming care!? The Dems are trying to chop my little Bobby's dick off! They want to take his dick! They want to take your dick too! They want everyone's dicks! Nobody's dick is safe these days! | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years.",
">\n\nRepublicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession \nElderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA!"
] |
>
Yes sir, and here are those pictures of Hunter Biden you wanted. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years.",
">\n\nRepublicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession \nElderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA!",
">\n\nDid you say gender affirming care!? The Dems are trying to chop my little Bobby's dick off! They want to take his dick! They want to take your dick too! They want everyone's dicks! Nobody's dick is safe these days!"
] |
>
The irony of Republicans rushing Jeffries to finish his speech because they’re ready to leave. Y’all had months to get in & out of the House. Sit your asses down, listen to the guy who won 10/13 house votes and stfu | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years.",
">\n\nRepublicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession \nElderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA!",
">\n\nDid you say gender affirming care!? The Dems are trying to chop my little Bobby's dick off! They want to take his dick! They want to take your dick too! They want everyone's dicks! Nobody's dick is safe these days!",
">\n\nYes sir, and here are those pictures of Hunter Biden you wanted."
] |
>
I loved how he was all, Thanks to all the Democrats for your unanimous support! Oh, yeah. Here's Kevin McCarthy I guess. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years.",
">\n\nRepublicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession \nElderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA!",
">\n\nDid you say gender affirming care!? The Dems are trying to chop my little Bobby's dick off! They want to take his dick! They want to take your dick too! They want everyone's dicks! Nobody's dick is safe these days!",
">\n\nYes sir, and here are those pictures of Hunter Biden you wanted.",
">\n\nThe irony of Republicans rushing Jeffries to finish his speech because they’re ready to leave. Y’all had months to get in & out of the House. Sit your asses down, listen to the guy who won 10/13 house votes and stfu"
] |
>
While I dislike Kevin McCarthy, I did find his opening joke funny. "Just a warning to Mr. Jeffries, two years ago I had unanimous support too." | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years.",
">\n\nRepublicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession \nElderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA!",
">\n\nDid you say gender affirming care!? The Dems are trying to chop my little Bobby's dick off! They want to take his dick! They want to take your dick too! They want everyone's dicks! Nobody's dick is safe these days!",
">\n\nYes sir, and here are those pictures of Hunter Biden you wanted.",
">\n\nThe irony of Republicans rushing Jeffries to finish his speech because they’re ready to leave. Y’all had months to get in & out of the House. Sit your asses down, listen to the guy who won 10/13 house votes and stfu",
">\n\nI loved how he was all, Thanks to all the Democrats for your unanimous support! Oh, yeah. Here's Kevin McCarthy I guess."
] |
>
It is a fair point to make to be honest. | [
"If they didn’t want Jeffries to have a speech this long then they shouldn’t have given him so long to write it.",
">\n\nThat part with the ABC’s where he was like x over y and calling out Qanon, racism, fascism, Mar-A-Lago, voter suppression, and more by name was brilliant.",
">\n\nThank you! Time-stamped to perfection. It's like at the C's Republicans were starting to roll their eyes and Jeffries was \"buckle up, kids, I have 23 more of these and you're not ready.\"\nNo punches pulled. M was a nice touch.",
">\n\nhis entire speech was excellent.",
">\n\nIt really was. It was like a jolt of electricity mixed with with a breath of fresh air. Especially compared to McCarthy’s speech that was full of oppressive fear driven dictates and felt like some evil villain telling you his plan to destroy the world. Jeffries speech was full of hope and freedom and accomplishments and a vision of the future. It made me feel good inside and hopeful and thankful that we have someone as passionate about helping people as he is helming our ship.",
">\n\nthanks for some insight into McCarthy's. I had no intention to listen to bullshit after Hakeem Jeffries spoke.",
">\n\nIt's been said by a few people I saw on TV that McCarthy wanted this to solidify his legacy. Well, he sure did that. He's got his place in history.",
">\n\nThey can use his portrait for the floor mat in the men's room.",
">\n\nUrinal cakes.",
">\n\nIt means Gaetz & friends are in charge because confidence in McCarthy runs through them. McCarthy gave them everything to be speaker.",
">\n\nThey verbalize they want to save the taxpayer' money, but all they want to do is turn social security into a trough for military contract pyramid schemes.",
">\n\n\n\"It's not how you start, it's how you finish\": Kevin McCarthy\n\nGoing to age like milk",
">\n\nBruh teeing up fate like that...",
">\n\nDiving head-first into the woodchipper of fate.",
">\n\n“…No obstacle this house can over come.” The speaker of the house everyone",
">\n\nNo one ever said the speaker could speak",
">\n\nUnintended honesty… he is basically saying - even the smallest road bump will prevent this Congress from making any measurable difference over the next two years…. which is true.",
">\n\nNobody beats Kevin McCarthy 15 times in a row, nobody.",
">\n\nthe first 14 votes didn't count. He won on the first try! /s",
">\n\nCan’t help but imagine lego Batman throwing 20 bat-arangs at a button and then saying “First Try” when one accidentally falls on it.",
">\n\nI get a real kick out of McCarthy celebrating this as a victory instead of realizing it's an embarrassment. Fifteen votes and a near-fight on the floor\nIt's a pyrrhic victory at best",
">\n\nThe annoying part is McCarthy is going to act like he has a major mandate just because he won… even though the Rs performed terribly in the midterms, he barely has a majority, and this cluster fuck to get the speakership.",
">\n\nI mean beyond sham investigations into issues like Hunter Biden's dick pics - what can he really accomplish with a razor thin majority that is in civil war with itself along with the Democrats controlling the Senate and White House.",
">\n\nWhat can be accomplished? The total destruction of the US economy by refusing to pass a budget and letting the debt ceiling fall/go into default.",
">\n\nHow many Scaramucci's before the first motion to vacate?",
">\n\nLess than 5.",
">\n\n$10 it's Gaetz and a brawl happens on the floor.",
">\n\nI’d pay to see that.",
">\n\nThis might singlehandedly pay off the USA's deficit for 2023, just make it pay to view on c-span.",
">\n\nI dont know why people keep asking \"why Democrats didnt do this or that?\" or \"what could the democrats have done?\"\nRepublicans will not work with Democrats. they wont do it. There is no point in Democrats trying to do anything with them. they will get stonewalled, or lied to",
">\n\nIt's also extremely important to point to the Obama years and the fact that Republicans - in a racist fury designed to do nothing more than obstruct the extremely popular first black President of the United States's agenda - Republicans (led by Mitch McConnell whom openly said this after Obama was elected) would go on to create the most do-nothing Congress in America history. They spent eight years openly obstructing the popular business and will of the American people, simply because the President was black.\nYou cannot negotiate or work with Republicans. They are deeply racist scum that tried to elect Trump to lead a fascist takeover of the government and they failed miserably because - in an act of cosmic mercy - this generation's fascists also happen to be shockingly stupid and incompetent at anything other than grifting. All of which has been done while Republicans have seen historically low approval numbers and have been kept in power by nothing more than racist vestiges of America's slaveholding past (i.e. the electoral college, which literally only exists because slave states wanted to use their slave populations to swing elections, which Republicans use to continue disenfranchising black Americans to this day).\nThe thing I can't wait for - and we're going to start hitting this point in the next 10 years is that the boomers are going to start dying off and the Republican Party is going to start losing every single election it stands in. Millenials and Gen Z are ultra-liberal generations and are becoming even more liberal at a rate unseen in any other point in modern history. The flip is going to be intense and Republicans are going to be completely annihilated in every election in which they stand and America is going to jerk so hard to the left that not a single one of these fascist fucks will ever be allowed to have a voice in American politics ever again.",
">\n\nI hope you're right. Gen X thought the same thing and it didn't seem to happen.",
">\n\nGen X is trending conservative as they're aging. Millenials and Gen Z aren't. Gen X will be the enemy that unfortunately for them will suffer the worst of the wrath of Millenials and Gen Z for the stuff the Boomers did.",
">\n\nI remember being told \"as you grow older, you'll understand and become more conservative\". I took that as a challenge and I actively watch for signs of being curmudgeonly & stomp that nonsense out.\nHere's hoping the younger folks do better. We (as a whole) did not.",
">\n\nNo doubt about it, the older I got the more liberal I've become.\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\nI know I've never been so engaged in politics until the MAGA era started.",
">\n\n\nOr maybe... maybe I have stayed the same and the conservatives just went so far right they lost their minds?\n\nExactly this. I’m all for having different opinions, different parties, and different values in our country. We need to have discussions and even arguments to make sure our entire country is properly represented. Maybe I would have become a more classical conservative in my later years if that was still a thing, but it’s not. The conservative party is nothing more than extreme right wing authoritarians. They don’t actually care about tax cuts, smaller government, free market capitalism and the like. All they want is control and power. They believe LGBTQ people are all pedophiles and need to be locked up or worse, that non-white people are the enemy, education is nothing but indoctrination, women have become too powerful and need to be put back in their place, healthcare and food are not a right but are instead earned… the list of their frightening ideals just keeps growing. I don’t care how I’ll feel about the economy or “them kids and their weird trends” when I’m old because those have nothing to do with conservatism anymore. All I know is that I will not somehow grow into the idea of hatred towards everyone who isn’t a white male like myself.",
">\n\nCannot believe these ass clowns are pretending to respect the police on Jan 6th\nAlthough I guess it is 1am so it’s technically Jan 7th",
">\n\nCongress was in session in the early hours of Jan 7th 2021 as well.",
">\n\nThe amount of people I have seen on social media touting this as some massive win and \"owning the Libs\" is absolutely astounding, but also just the fucked up reality we live in.",
">\n\nResist the urge to explain the obvious and let them \"own\" us like this for the next two years.",
">\n\nRepublicans: cut Medicare and Social Security, default on the national debt, cause a massive recession \nElderly conservatives in red states, already struggling: Haha libs, owned!! Freedom means I get to choose between starving or freezing to death... ah, but it's all worth it as long as some kid somewhere can't access gender affirming medical care. USA! USA!",
">\n\nDid you say gender affirming care!? The Dems are trying to chop my little Bobby's dick off! They want to take his dick! They want to take your dick too! They want everyone's dicks! Nobody's dick is safe these days!",
">\n\nYes sir, and here are those pictures of Hunter Biden you wanted.",
">\n\nThe irony of Republicans rushing Jeffries to finish his speech because they’re ready to leave. Y’all had months to get in & out of the House. Sit your asses down, listen to the guy who won 10/13 house votes and stfu",
">\n\nI loved how he was all, Thanks to all the Democrats for your unanimous support! Oh, yeah. Here's Kevin McCarthy I guess.",
">\n\nWhile I dislike Kevin McCarthy, I did find his opening joke funny. \"Just a warning to Mr. Jeffries, two years ago I had unanimous support too.\""
] |
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