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[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in...." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?" ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here.", ">\n\nThis 'both sides' nonsense needs to stop. A special council only needs to be appointed if Biden refuses to return the documents for a year, denies he has them... And as president literally has the right to have them for the duration of his term." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here.", ">\n\nThis 'both sides' nonsense needs to stop. A special council only needs to be appointed if Biden refuses to return the documents for a year, denies he has them... And as president literally has the right to have them for the duration of his term.", ">\n\nHe wasn’t President at the time. This occurred when he was Vice President, and he held the documents until today." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here.", ">\n\nThis 'both sides' nonsense needs to stop. A special council only needs to be appointed if Biden refuses to return the documents for a year, denies he has them... And as president literally has the right to have them for the duration of his term.", ">\n\nHe wasn’t President at the time. This occurred when he was Vice President, and he held the documents until today.", ">\n\nInb4 the remedy lies with Congress, and we get 60 impeachment motions from McCarthy." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here.", ">\n\nThis 'both sides' nonsense needs to stop. A special council only needs to be appointed if Biden refuses to return the documents for a year, denies he has them... And as president literally has the right to have them for the duration of his term.", ">\n\nHe wasn’t President at the time. This occurred when he was Vice President, and he held the documents until today.", ">\n\nInb4 the remedy lies with Congress, and we get 60 impeachment motions from McCarthy.", ">\n\nConsidering what happened previously with tRump and his intentions-a whole nothing burger. This will lead to even less." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here.", ">\n\nThis 'both sides' nonsense needs to stop. A special council only needs to be appointed if Biden refuses to return the documents for a year, denies he has them... And as president literally has the right to have them for the duration of his term.", ">\n\nHe wasn’t President at the time. This occurred when he was Vice President, and he held the documents until today.", ">\n\nInb4 the remedy lies with Congress, and we get 60 impeachment motions from McCarthy.", ">\n\nConsidering what happened previously with tRump and his intentions-a whole nothing burger. This will lead to even less.", ">\n\nThe fact that the only contingency is to bring up Trump is pretty alarming." ]

[ "We are waiting for a different announcement.", ">\n\nAG sure didn’t waste anytime on this one.", ">\n\nProbably to put it to bed quickly. They probably assume that the right will blow this up to no end and try to create a circus to interrupt the Trump proceedings. So investigate, clear Biden, and get back on track.", ">\n\nThat makes perfect sense in a world where right wing media would actually care about the facts of the case. They won't though. They just want the talking point that Trump did nothing wrong because Biden. Now they have it.", ">\n\nThey were gonna do it anyway. Everything with the right is a \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situation.\nDon't investigate something because it's not a problem: \"REEEEeeee, unfair treatment! Hypocrisy! They are persecuting us!\"\nInvestigate something that may be an issue: \"REEEEeeee, they are the literal devil! Look how bad they are! Guilty guilty guilty!\"\nInvestigation finds problem: \"Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\". \nInvestigation finds nothing: \"Biased and fake. Obviously lies and interference. Impeach! LOCK HIM UP!\" \nYou can't win, so the best route is to not even bother trying. Don't let their views influence your decision because they will always disagree with them anyway.", ">\n\nJust because you can't win in the mind of crazy people doesn't mean you stop trying altogether. That's how you let crazy people win. \nInstead you always continue doing the right thing, continue to earn the trust of reasonable people, and let the crazies isolate themselves from society further", ">\n\nAnd how has that strategy been working out so far?? I don't know when you want to start the clock on how long the status quo has been to proceed in the manner you're describing but I don't think you can find a starting point that would be worse then than things are now. That fairly strongly suggests that the strategy is not working. Maybe it's time to change tactics.", ">\n\nHow has it been working out? Well the democrats have the white house and the senate while the republican led house is in shamboes and the red wave was a big joke. \nPretty good so far, but things take longer than a season of tv to play out.", ">\n\nDems have the Senate and Presidency because of bad Republican messaging. Not because Dems are making anyone happy.", ">\n\nYea and if the Dems stooped to the same dumb \"fight fire with fire\" thought then they wouldn't weaken the Rep position, they would grant them legitimacy - when it becomes a \"legit both sides\" thing then some reasonable people support Repubs because it becomes just one side of a corruption coin. \nIf the Dems stooped to the same level as Repubs then the Repub message would become more accepted and we wouod have a Repub Congress", ">\n\nI can’t stand Trump, but they both need to be investigated. This is how the system is supposed to work.", ">\n\nThat’s the part that people don’t seem to get. Politicians should be held accountable for their actions. It shouldn’t be about taking someone down for political gain. It’s about maintaining a working government that hopefully isn’t totally corrupt.", ">\n\nI believe those days are long gone. Having a well-loved, black President for 8 years, irreparably broke the Republican Party. The GOP didn’t nominate Trump because he was Presidential-material, they nominated him to agitate and fear-monger ignorant white racists and he did exactly that, it’s his entire base!", ">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with investigating classified materials that aren’t where they belong?", ">\n\nFor the Republicans, it is all about righting the “wrong” aka the Obama years. They don’t give a damn about this country, they just want to punish the Dems for not only electing a black man for President, but doing it twice! 🤣", ">\n\nAs a moderate who doesn’t belong to either party…y’all are both sides of the same coin. It’s like this crazy fandom from both sides that are to blind their own faults. Democrats are just as sleazy and corrupt as Republicans. It’s gross. Hold your parties accountable. Nobody gets my vote unless they earn it…I’m not on a freaking team or part of some fan club.", ">\n\nSo you don’t vote, but you like to complain? I got it.", ">\n\nI vote. I also call out bullshit. One isn’t exclusive of the other. I’ve voted both R and D and will continue to do so…what I don’t do is fall into some tribalistic crap where I…ONLY vote blue or ONLY vote red because they’re “one of us”. Don’t do that. You’re vote is leverage. It’s how you pressure the parties to do the right thing. Conceding that leverage is bad logic. It’s weak oversight. Might as well start buying DNC/Repub hats, swag etc to wear when you root for your team like some crazy Bama fan. 😂", ">\n\nThis is a problem with the polarization of the parties. I CANNOT vote for a righty because even if they might have some better ideas on SOME fiscal policy, they are quite likely to vote with their party removing rights from others on social policies, which to me is a bigger problem. How do I gain leverage when one party says they don't want my vote?", ">\n\nThere are politicians that are in line with sane policies. The problem is they mostly get weeded out at a lower level and never rise because people don’t actually pay attention to them. They just vote R and D and argue over the terrible candidates that wheel and deal and corrupt their way to the top. You have to remember that in most cases Senators and even members of Congress don’t answer to you and I…they know you’ll just vote R or D. They answer to their own political machine…which creates corrupt pieces of shit who don’t give 2 fucks about you and I.\nLook at what Pelosi was worth in 2004 and what she’s worth today. How’d that happen?\nLook at Trump…I don’t even know where to start?\nGreg Abbot in TX? He’s fucking bananas.\nFixing our system by supporting good candidates starts with rewarding good candidates running for lower offices. Not just voting down a line at the ballot. Those same good candidates will need your support as they rise. Stop looking at the R and D next to their name and start looking at their policies and whether they follow through with campaign promises. Hold them accountable with your vote.", ">\n\nIs this the part where Biden fires Garland?\nWait. Wrong president.", ">\n\nI know it's sarcasm, but the appointment of a special counsel means that if AG Garland were replaced, the special counsel still continues the investigation.", ">\n\nYou just keep firing all of the AsG until you find one who thinks that the Special Counsel should be fired. Easy.", ">\n\nIf you hire and fire every attorney in America for the position, eventually there would be no one left to take the job.\n4D chess!", ">\n\nIt's funny that all the lawyers that work for Trump end up in legal trouble themselves.", ">\n\nMAGA =Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.", ">\n\nDemocrat here. Happy to see this. Investigate, prosecute if there’s wrong doing, or clear him. Show the way the system is meant to work, which also strengthens a case against Trump. \nSo far, no one knew these were missing, Biden’s team reached out when they were found, and investigations are happening without being blocked. Both sidesing stuff isn’t fair, but when similar actions happen, I want to see how different groups handle it. So far Biden has been forthcoming and open. I want leaders who set those types of standards. \nI also want him prosecuted if it’s warranted. But I don’t think it would be a proper application of Justice if Trump doesn’t get charged first.", ">\n\nOnly problem is that even if their is no wrong doing they will somehow spin it to seem as if the Democrats forced them to stop the investigation or come up with some other type of crazy conspiracy. Not saying this shouldn’t continue but we all know they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and then take out their eye in the process due to ricochet.", ">\n\nProbably but you're not going to stop propaganda. Someone can be doing literally nothing, keeping their name out of the news, and Newsmax will put a photo of them up, and claim the person is sundowning because they're not moving, implying it's real time. This happened to Biden at one point even. \nI want to see how this gets handled. As a nation we need to see how it gets handled, because if it is handled in an underhanded way, it truly means there's nothing left of the institutions of our country. So far, all the proper actions have been taken, which is a good thing. The investigation has been moved beyond the reach of politicians, it has been depoliticized by the DoJ, documents were voluntarily turned over, and no one is refusing to cooperate. That is what is supposed to be happening.", ">\n\nGood. I say that as a Biden voter. Do things the way they should be done, cooperate fully, and move on. Demonstrate proper leadership.", ">\n\nYou can't charge a sitting President with a crime. Isn't that what we heard all through the Trump administration? Did that change in January, 2021?", ">\n\nThe crime is not really about having the documents, the main crimes is concealing, destroying and obstruction of justice.", ">\n\nSee you all in 6 months when we learn that an intern shoved a bunch of papers from the VP's White House office into boxes when they were packing up without going through them and it's reported as a B7 story.", ">\n\nAnd again in 22 months when Trump won't shut the fuck up about it in the debates", ">\n\nhis cronies still won't shut up about Clinton's email server. she complied and gave them what they needed. she was found to be in the wrong, but they immediately after this found out that half of trump's team was doing the same lol, but they really latch on to what little they have, as their platform is pretty thin", ">\n\nThe big difference is that it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it. The laws changed after she stepped down from SOS. It was still bad practice and careless, but was the standard for her predecessors, and she complied with that standard in the absence of laws. \nBy the time trump was on the scene there were laws on it.", ">\n\ninteresting!\nand what's interesting is that he created a law to make punishment more strict for handling of sensitive documents because he wanted it to grill Hillary. the funny thing is, he's in court for the same topic now and his own evil might be his own undoing. that would be the sweetest most ironic form of justice", ">\n\nEh... He's not in court yet. Should have been a long time ago. But he's not.", ">\n\nsadly I think it's because he's in so many haha. how he made it into office with everyone knowing he was a criminal beforehand is just a complete failure", ">\n\nIt sounds like they've searched multiple places where Biden or his team may have kept documents, which I think is reasonable. Was only one Trump property raided?", ">\n\n“They”of course meaning Biden’s staff. They looked around, found stuff and instantly reported it. Had they not done that, we wouldn’t know there was a problem. No warrants or raids required.", ">\n\nInstantly? They had them before the election", ">\n\ninstantly after finding them. not after being asked to return them and saying \"no\". not after then being subpoena'd by the court to return them and lying and saying they're already returned. not after being raided by the FBI for failing to comply to simply requests. like someone else I can think of....", ">\n\nThat was fast compared to how long it took for that other guy who did much worse. Let nobody be under the illusion that the Justice Department is not influenced by politics.", ">\n\nIt was faster because Biden's team proactively informed the authorities and are cooperating.\nTrump's team denied and deflected until an FBI Warrant had to be issued.\nAs the article mentions, the two scenarios are similar in that documents were misplaced, but the scope and scale of the two are markedly different.", ">\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different, because Trump spent months and months fighting to not return the documents, and Biden cooperated quickly (as far as we know so far). There is a significant difference between “Oh shit, we didn’t realize we had these. Here take them; we’ll cooperate to figure out what happened” and “no, it’s okay, because I declassified them by wishing it, also, get a warrant.”\nI’m curious though: this has happened twice now, that we know of—probably more with other presidents and VPs in the past. Is this a failure of the National Archives to keep track of things? Is it an overly rushed exit from the White House causing a disorganized handling of these sorts of documents? The fact itself that the documents are not secured where they’re supposed to be (in both cases) does not necessarily suggest any nefarious intent, but it does show some kind of breakdown in how they’re handled at the end of a term of office.", ">\n\n\nYeah, it’s important for people to understand that this is a bad thing in both cases. BUT the response to the situation is totally different\n\nThe difference in responses likely makes one criminal. Unintentionally mishandling a confidential document is not necessarily a crime. The few cases that have been prosecuted involved people accidentally mishandling a document, realizing it, and then doing nothing about it. Biden's team realized it and then immediately reported it. Should they have been mishandled? Clearly not. But the proper thing to do when that is found out is to report it. The improper and likely criminal thing is to ignore requests for the return of those documents until you have to be raided.", ">\n\nYou also don't want to jail someone if they misplace a document because then you are giving a shiton of incentive to just burn it and tell no one.", ">\n\nYou would want to jail someone for misplacing classified documents if there was some malicious or grossly negligent intent. You would also want to jail someone who failed to comply with requests to return missing documents. It’s up to investigators (the Special Counsels in these cases) to determine levels of intent and cooperation.", ">\n\nThis shit couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's not the same as Trump but that doesn't matter. The optics are shitty and it'll be 2 years of screeching about classified documents and Hunter's dick pics.\nThe worst season of the long-running sitcom \"America\" goes on....", ">\n\nTo the average person It looks the same as what Trump did, and that’s all that matters really.", ">\n\nThat says a lot about the average person smh", ">\n\nMost people are blind to world events, and don’t experience much outside their daily life. This is even more true when you look at a global scale.", ">\n\nanyone know why it took National Archives 6 years to find out these documents were missing?", ">\n\nThings don’t go missing until someone is looking for them.\nMy keys aren’t missing until I need to find them.", ">\n\nAt this point I feel like they're fucking with us. Like everyone in gov't is just outright fucking us. I'm starting to believe the conspiracies that there's some global cabal that is just putting out crazier and crazier shit to keep us distracted. If you don't like this comment I don't give a shit anymore, fuck you.", ">\n\nas it should be; no cover ups, no outrage, no conspiracies - everyone wants to know just what happened and why \nthis is what we call \"normal\" (in case you're a republican)", ">\n\nUntil it comes out that the case with Biden was simply an error and that there was no ill-intent and it all goes away because its a non-issue.\nThen there will be outrage and cries of conspiracy and cover up. By Republicans.", ">\n\nWell they’re the ones in charge of the house. They can do their own investigation if they so please.", ">\n\nLike when they finally investigated Hillary and got her locked up for good!", ">\n\nOh, look. He’s not dragging his feet this time.", ">\n\nHere we go… Next up, the investigation reveals that the docs were planted.", ">\n\nDems really know how to lose when ahead…", ">\n\nHow about finishing the first one.", ">\n\nAs a Democrat who voted for him, if he did something wrong…he should be punished. \nSee? Not that hard.", ">\n\nHaving classified documents scattered around is very troublesome but at least Biden and his camp are fully cooperating with this investigation, which is much more than can be said about Trump and co.", ">\n\nCrazy how an announcement of an investigation over classified documents into the POTUS has 8 comments after an hour, but the post about egg prices has hundreds after half the time….\nCool, good news. We should hold all presidents (past, present, future) accountable for all their actions. If there was a crime, investigate it and go from there. If you have a different opinion, you probably value your party more than your country.", ">\n\nIt's not apparent to me what the different comment rate implies. What are you saying?", ">\n\nThat people should be up in arms and outraged by it or they're biased - except anyone reading behind the headlines can clearly see this isn't an equal event to Trump's documents. It's not news until it is, and it's not there yet. So,\"something something Hunter's laptop Benghazi\" is probably about to make an appearance, next.", ">\n\nThis cuts out the argument from the MAGA lot about how Trump's being unfairly treated over his many classified documents. \n​\nfrom what i've seen, Biden & his team have done things the right way when they've realised there were classified documents stored where they shouldn't be... compared to Trump & his team refusing to cooperate (and potentially moving documents after being told to hand them over).", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are all these idiots doing? I’ve dealt with classified materials since 1999 and, with 24 years of experience, am still paranoid about improperly handling them. \nWhy are is everyone printing this shit out? \nIt is 2023 if you’re too old to read and comprehend a document on a computer screen you need to throw yourself into the sea.", ">\n\nWashington leadership routinely flouts classification rules. That's how we get VPs and former President's taking home documents.\nIt's also why Hillary Clinton felt she could get away with having classified material on her server.", ">\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself. I mean I’m not surprised if classified documents go missing when these guys deal with so much - it’s not good but I can see it happening . It’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.", ">\n\n\nI thinks it’s because they are exposed to it so much it can get intermingled with normal stuff mentally really easy. You have to take a step back and catch yourself.\n\nI'm not so sure about that. You don't get things like Clinton taking an unsecured phone into a SCIF or Trump tweeting out spy satellite photos if they're taking precautions that anyone else would be expected to take.\n\nIt’s what you do when you find it later is what matters.\n\nActually, the DOJ has handled things differently in other cases that don't involve senior Washington politicians. \nWaPo wrote an article back in 2000 that talked about this double standard. The more senior you were, the more likely you were to be let off. This applied even when you bore no ill intent and accidentally took materials away from a secured area. As we can see today, the standard is alive and well. If you're politically powerful in Washington- a \"somebody\"- then you can laugh off charges for mishandling classified material.\n\nMarine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.\n\n...\n\nNorman A. Germino, a National Security Agency language analyst, was stripped of his security clearance and dismissed for taking a commercially available map, a list of vocabulary words and some computer instructions home before leaving for an overseas assignment. Germino says he forgot about the materials, which were later found by his ex-wife and reported to the NSA. He contested his dismissal before the Merit Systems Protection Board in 1994, saying the material was not sensitive and the security breach was inadvertent. But his dismissal was upheld.\n\n...\n\nAir Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.", ">\n\nGood.\nIf I was innocent of wrongdoing, but the circumstances were very complex and specialist, I would want somebody who was familiar (or was gong to make themselves familiar) with the situation. The last thing I'd want is to be in a situation where some slick lawyer could use hearsay & happenstance to confuse a judge or jury into convicting me in a case none of them are qualified to understand.\nIt's hilarious that some idiots see this as a 'Gotcha!'.", ">\n\nAnd here's the difference: As a Democrat who voted for Biden...GOOD!\nIf he did something wrong, we should know. If better procedures need to be in place for reviewing/monitoring/tracking/retrieving classified documents, we should know that too and fix it.", ">\n\nAnd now we see if a crime was committed. \nI just seem to remember ppl being outraged about Trump having documents at his home to begin with. Now it’s ok to do that?", ">\n\nFrom what little I know it doesn’t seem like there was a significant issue (no intentional hiding or obstruction). But this is the right thing to do. Investigate, figure out what happened, then handle it appropriately. \nPersonally I would like to see special counsels set up for each president before they take office and continue to investigate everything they did until there is nothing left to turn over. This level of scrutiny should be the expectation not the exception, and if the press won’t do it Congress or the AG should.", ">\n\nLaw is law. Investigate Biden. I’m sure nothing criminal happened - but investigate. If it was criminal treat it appropriately. Just like for dotard, and just like for anyone else. No one is above the law.", ">\n\nTrump seems to be above the law seeing as how nothings happening to him for his many crimes.", ">\n\nOh good lord. The lawyers found documents and called the National Archives the same day. The next day they had the documents.\nWhat’s the special counsel going to do here?", ">\n\nHead off a GOP circus and put this to bed with facts before it becomes another Benghazi", ">\n\nI am so tired of everything ‘Washington’. Everyone disappoints, sooner or later.", ">\n\n\"Everybody hurts...sometimes\"", ">\n\nProps to Biden here for admitting it and not trying to cover it up.", ">\n\nGarland wasted no time with this 😂 This is going to move faster than the Trump investigation, place your bets.", ">\n\nI am so glad Biden is cooperating and not threatening to fire AG while screaming “witch hunt” the entire time.", ">\n\nNO WAY main stream media would allow this before the midterms.", ">\n\nIf the \"mainstream media\" knew about this before the election why didnt Fox News, the most mainstream of media report on it?\nWe only found out about the Trump situation because he went on social media and started complaining about the FBI searching his resort. This was after many many months of the government trying to get the documents from him with nothing being reported in the news. If anything this shows info about Biden was leaked to the press way faster than the details about Trump were.", ">\n\nFox is the only place that would have reported it...other outlets had sources that knew it, but kept it under wraps until after the election, just like the hunter biden laptop.", ">\n\nNone of any of this would have been an issue if Trump had just returned the documents he stole. We never would have heard about it. It happens all the time, the only time it became an issue is when the ex-President refused to return property that belongs to the American people.\nThat's the crime, not errantly putting a random document in the wrong banker's box.", ">\n\nAgreed, but Biden also having documents shows there is an alarming lack of care and control around classified documents in Washington. How many other politicians have an accidental stash of classified documents forgotten in a closet somewhere?\nUnless evidence of intentional or negligent actions from Biden come to light, I don't see any reason for criminal charges. But I do hope this leads to reform and a crackdown on how classified information is handled.", ">\n\nWe have no idea what the documents are or what level of classification they are. It could have been his personal travel schedule.", ">\n\nAnd?\nIf it is classified it should be handled properly, period. Whether it was supposed to destroyed, returned, or merely remarked when classification ended, that didn't happen. If there were no intentional or flagrantly negligent actions, no criminal charges are necessary. \nThis doesn't appear to be a Trump situation where they were intentionally taken and willfully withheld when asked to return them. But it is still mishandling of classified documents.\nInvestigate it, hopefully clear him of wrongdoing, and lay all the facts out on the table. Then use these incidents as a basis for reforming the system so this shit stops happening.", ">\n\nI mean the level of classification drastically changes how it is handled, and what the risk for mishandling it is. I agree with the underlying point that this looks like a general trend, both physically and digitally for high ranking officials in DC but I do think my perception changes if it is a document with TS-SCI information or if it is something that is searchable on google.", ">\n\nIf the investigation reveals that all the documents were only NYT articles that got classified because Washington has an over-classification problem, then that could be how we target the reforms.\nIf the classification system is producing tons of documents that should never have been classified to begin with, that's a problem that needs solving. Overusing classification causes people to lose respect for the classification rules, which could produce a major security issue.\nThat's why an investigation is good. Find out what happened and why, propose appropriate solutions, and stop this from continuing to happen. I don't really care about perception, I just care about pinpointing and solving the problem.", ">\n\nI agree with all of that", ">\n\nThis is where the Trump instinct of always fighting gets you in trouble.\nBiden working with the DoJ and helping them diffuses a lot of the situation. \nTrump actively fighting makes everyone think, what the hell are you hiding?", ">\n\nTrump was President. His claim of asserting executive privilege is very much warranted. Presidents can do that sort of thing. \nBiden was VP. Ouch. Biden doesn’t get the same luxury. But anyway…closet documents were found 2 months ago. 2 months everyone was sitting on this discovery. American people didn’t know until a couple days ago. Some would say that hiding these classified documents is a form of election interference. \nAnd then we learn another batch was found in his garage at Biden’s Delaware home. Argh…that’s illegal too. Of course Biden is cooperating. He has too. That isn’t a positive thing. Biden can not have the executive privilege to declassify. These closet documents have been chilling for years in the closet. That’s the difference", ">\n\nExecutive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch. That includes VP.", ">\n\nGood, we need to understand how top secret documents are leaving the capital offices on every level. I'm sure trump and Biden are not the only ones to do this. That said, Biden wasn't calling code level top secret papers declassified by his say so and storing them in the store room if his public property.", ">\n\nBuries information for years.", ">\n\nGarland has been such a disappointment!", ">\n\nWhen you elect ancient Presidents they're gonna misplace shit. Remotes, keys, classified documents, batteries the usual.", ">\n\nHow do we keep getting stuck with these fossils smh", ">\n\nBecause it is a system built around name recognition and political favors, and when you've been around a long time, you have high name recognition and a lot of favors owed.", ">\n\nWhat's that? Transparency and accountability in my executive branch? Say it ain't so.", ">\n\nBoth situations are as bad as each other, for different reasons.\n‘Trump: tried to fight against giving the documents back, his lawyers told the archives they handed over everything - they didn’t.\nBiden: had documents for 6 years, in multiple locations including his garage, likely also had lawyers sign a document saying he handed over everything. Covered up the story because the elections in November. \nThey might be “apples and oranges” like the MSM are saying, but a rotten orange is still a rotten orange, and a rotten Apple is still a rotten apple.", ">\n\nCan’t Biden just declassify them with his mind or didn’t he get that super power?", ">\n\n1) these documents to when Biden was VP and didn’t have declassification authority \n2) he’s not making a claim about having declassified unlike what Trump has floated in interviews but not in court.", ">\n\nThe crazy part is the public (and the media) wouldn’t have paid attention to any of this if there wasn’t a former president hoarding classified material in a Florida resort that he denied the existence of and refused to return. Media FEED off of the potential clicks from conservatives making the false equivalence.", ">\n\nWhether you are a Biden or President Trump supporter, neither should have had these types of documents in a non secure place. So Biden's homes, offices and whatever need to be raided just like they did to President Trump. What's good for one is good for the other.", ">\n\nYou're missing a key difference: cooperation.", ">\n\nAlso one of them is the president.", ">\n\nI like Biden. I like his policies. I like his administration. I want him to succeed. I hope he runs again.\nBut if he committed a crime, he should be treated like everyone else, and be prosecuted & sentenced accordingly.\nSee how hard that was?", ">\n\nWatch Garland go harder on Biden than he ever did on any Republican, because, well, reasons.", ">\n\nNo one knew these documents were even missing years later, the government subpoenaed Trump for documents repeatedly as many were about our nuclear secrets\nStill will be determined if Biden even took these or someone accidentally packed them up, we know Trump personally took the documents he took\nOnce discovered, Biden immediately returned them and followed procedures. If Trump did so, there would not have been an FBI raid on his dumpy bed bug infested club. \nThese two are in no way even remotely the same, but republicans are already starting with the false equivalencies and the press is going right along.", ">\n\nForgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.", ">\n\nSO Secure next to his corvette locked in a garage. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW JOE!!!!", ">\n\nAll the evidence suggests we have an entire class of folks in the United States who are very much above the law.", ">\n\nand it needs to be fixed", ">\n\nSo even though the issues around how Trump and Biden each mishandled documents are wildly different, expect the press to cover them as if their exactly the same. Sigh.", ">\n\nall's fair. the difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them and they'll cooperate every step of the way. they won't incite violence against the FBI, and if there is any related to this, they'll immediately discourage people from violence.\n​\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah", ">\n\nthe difference you'll see is that Biden's team turned the docs in when they found them\nWe only have the word of the Biden administration that they were only recently found. The person who placed them there and the person who told that person to place them there knew. The documents weren't put there last November.\nbut after a year of the red party getting sh*t on, this was like a late Christmas gift for them lol. they're going nuts. they're saying crap like \"WHY HAVEN'T THEY RAIDED HIS HOMES YET?\". are they really this dumb? yes? oh yeah\nWhat are you saying, that it's OK to raid Trump's home, but stupid to even ask that Biden's home be raided?", ">\n\nWhy would they raid his home? unlike trump he returned the documents.", ">\n\nHonestly if I was Biden I would allow the FBI to search everything just to prove that he’s willing to follow the law to the letter. Unfortunately Republicans won’t care.", ">\n\nThey won’t care. Laws mean nothing to them.", ">\n\nTrump is never going to be charged. If he were, every president going forward will be prosecuted.\nThis is the current administration's way letting Trump of the hook", ">\n\nThis is the best answer on the whole thread.", ">\n\nDamn, now what is fox gonna broadcast? \"Garland hires special counsel to specially treat Biden?", ">\n\nMe waiting for them to find that it was someone else who put these documents there or that they were actually declassified by Obama years ago", ">\n\nMy issue with this situation is that they found the documents, were silent…let an election pass. Then announce it to the world. Id be super pumped if these cases disallowed Trump and Biden from running next election so we might move on from this dumpster fire", ">\n\nI mean the unlikely worst outcome is he's impeached and removed from office. And then we get Kamala. Or at best he's cleared and just gets a wag of the finger.\nI see no issue here.", ">\n\nI'm perfectly happy with Biden getting whatever punishment is appropriate, I just really don't want him to go falling on any swords here. I'm tired of Dems doing the right thing while Republicans pull awful shit and never see any consequences. The high road only works when it sets the standard. \nFranken was canned without a full investigation while Trump bragged about doing much worse. Getting really sick of the double standards. I want to see EVERYBODY get in trouble for their troubling behavior.", ">\n\nWell, the new GOP house majority just found their first impeachment of Biden. That didn't take long.", ">\n\n\nAlso anyone of us regular folk caught with a single classified document in our home, even if we had voluntarily notified the government and returned it, would be sent to a CIA rendition site that same day and would never be heard from again.\n\nNot really. Only if you deliberately took them and distributed the information contained in the documents.", ">\n\nAnd refused to return them", ">\n\nRIP Biden's second term. The optics are terrible and no matter the outcome, the republicans will spam everyone and say Biden is worse than Trump.", ">\n\nI cannot believe that while the whole Trump files thing was going on, someone in Biden's team didn't make sure he was clean by checking all possible locations. \nIt really is fucking VEEP/WAYSTAR ROYCO up there.", ">\n\nTeam MAGA gets a field goal and does a wild celebration on the field, despite still being behind 42-3.", ">\n\nThis is the way. Hopefully this isn't enough for Biden to resign but enough for him to bow out of reelection and we get a candidate younger than 70.", ">\n\nHow hard is it to not take your fucking work home? That’s two of these old dipshits in a row.", ">\n\nBiden didn't say, \"it's mine.\" nor \"I declassify it through The Force.\" there is nothing to talk about there. Republicans are such drama queens", ">\n\nApparently he can declassify any and all documents by merely thinking about it. So all is well.", ">\n\nGood. And I expect full cooperation. I think we all want to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented from happening again", ">\n\nThis is how government and accountabolry are supposed to work.", ">\n\nGive me a fucking break.", ">\n\nHe knew for almost two years about Trump's stolen documents and sat on it. Waits 3 days to start inquisition on Biden.", ">\n\nI know full well that this is Garland and Biden's way of dealing with this appropriately and quickly to cure any accusations of inappropriate conduct or undue influence, but fuck it's absolutely sick that this got action in 24 hours and OTHER matters can't get action in 30 years. 🙄\nLet's get this over with so actual criminals with transparent intent continue to get away with it.", ">\n\nThis is good news.\nIt'll be a clear example of how a president or ex-president is supposed to act when these situations come up.\nThe differences can't be more clear!\nIt'll help sink Trump further lol.", ">\n\nUntil this ass hat indicts Trump, you'll never convince me the fix is not in....", ">\n\nMerrick “Federalist Society” Garland couldn’t fuckin’ wait? After he dragged and continues to drag his feet on Trump. What a shocker!!", ">\n\nGood. See how easy that was? Learn to govern republican dummies!", ">\n\nSigh. I don't care. The situation doesn't even compare to trumps classified document incident. That man was complicit. I just want politicians to do their jobs bur they're stifled at every chance by Republicans who are anti progress and only play revenge politics.", ">\n\nActually they should use this to investigate Trump again. Checkout all of Trumps properties just like they are going to look at all of Biden's.", ">\n\nThe mental gymnastics in here is astounding.", ">\n\nThey are finding these documents because of what trump did, his lawyers are in the process of going through all of Biden's files. People misplace classified documents constantly and there is a protocol in place to rectify misplaced documents and trump deliberately ignored all those laws and the FBI had to seize the documents trump stole.", ">\n\nThis was a strategic play. By getting out ahead of this, the democrats can control the narrative, and basically kill the story by concluding “nothing to see here”. If they didn’t, Republicans would make a big spectacle of this as they always do.", ">\n\nOh my sweet summer child. You think it matters what they do to get ahead of this? The GQP are going to be nashing their teeth about this for years. The right leaning media is already in a frenzied state. If you think they will let this slide I have a lovely bridge to sell you.", ">\n\nWe will see how good garlands acting is I guess. He is already bought and paid for in full.", ">\n\nThe whole thing with appointing a special counsel is that this will have nothing to do with Garland.\nAnd the special counsel is a Trump appointee.", ">\n\nJesus…yeah…let’s investigate the current POTUS that has been 100% cooperating at the same level as the former POTUS who. Chooses to obstruct and be a general fuckhead. Great plan.", ">\n\nGood. Lock Biden, Trump, and Hillary all up in the same cell.", ">\n\nI can't figure out if their case against Trump is stronger or weaker.", ">\n\nConsidering the many, many documented requests from NARA that Trump ignored or refused, I’d say the case is far, far stronger there.", ">\n\nNot only that, biden’s documents were found and immediately turned over. Sure, we wanna know what’s going on with that because it’s still bad, but not as bad as trump. \nRemember, Archives were asking Trump for the documents. They handed over a few, signed an affidavit that claimed that was all the documents. They lied, there was more and the FBI had to go and retrieve them. Trump claimed that he didn’t know of any/didn’t have any. Immediately after he claims they were his and he declassified them with his mind. \nSimilarities: documents not where they belonged\nDifferences: JB turned his over once they were discovered. DT hid them, disposed of them, lied about them and claimed they were his rightful property. \nIt’s one thing to ‘accidentally’ (until further details emerge) have documents. It’s another thing to fight the DOJ and have a judge try to block the investigation because you know you fucked up.", ">\n\nAnyone else think the Russians could be behind this?", ">\n\nBiden is either going to get removed from office or taken down post presidency. He and his team are far too sloppy.", ">\n\nIt’s ok folks. Obama ‘thought’ about declassifying those documents… and since that can’t be disproved, nothing to see here.", ">\n\nThis 'both sides' nonsense needs to stop. A special council only needs to be appointed if Biden refuses to return the documents for a year, denies he has them... And as president literally has the right to have them for the duration of his term.", ">\n\nHe wasn’t President at the time. This occurred when he was Vice President, and he held the documents until today.", ">\n\nInb4 the remedy lies with Congress, and we get 60 impeachment motions from McCarthy.", ">\n\nConsidering what happened previously with tRump and his intentions-a whole nothing burger. This will lead to even less.", ">\n\nThe fact that the only contingency is to bring up Trump is pretty alarming.", ">\n\nThere is a difference between this and trump. Trump had archived ( before his presidency) classified documents meaning he had to physically sign them and that he was looking for those particular documents while Bidens was of current affairs that where classified and he returned them as soon as he found out he had them still while trump had the classified documents taken to his private home in Florida and then kept lying about it till they had to raid his ass and take them back. Big difference so fuck off republican criminal party" ]

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[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!" ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\"." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5" ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable.", ">\n\n\nShe's smart and capable.\n\nDamn, the two things stopping her from being electable in the eyes of 60% of America" ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable.", ">\n\n\nShe's smart and capable.\n\nDamn, the two things stopping her from being electable in the eyes of 60% of America", ">\n\nShe's a woman, so that's 3." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable.", ">\n\n\nShe's smart and capable.\n\nDamn, the two things stopping her from being electable in the eyes of 60% of America", ">\n\nShe's a woman, so that's 3.", ">\n\n89-year-old and with dimming attic lights Feinstein. \nWhile I thank her for her service, the best exit Feinstein could hope for is to be replaced by the likes of Katie Porter." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable.", ">\n\n\nShe's smart and capable.\n\nDamn, the two things stopping her from being electable in the eyes of 60% of America", ">\n\nShe's a woman, so that's 3.", ">\n\n89-year-old and with dimming attic lights Feinstein. \nWhile I thank her for her service, the best exit Feinstein could hope for is to be replaced by the likes of Katie Porter.", ">\n\nAgreed. The thing I don’t get is, wouldn’t you want a retirement? Is not running again akin to dying for her?" ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable.", ">\n\n\nShe's smart and capable.\n\nDamn, the two things stopping her from being electable in the eyes of 60% of America", ">\n\nShe's a woman, so that's 3.", ">\n\n89-year-old and with dimming attic lights Feinstein. \nWhile I thank her for her service, the best exit Feinstein could hope for is to be replaced by the likes of Katie Porter.", ">\n\nAgreed. The thing I don’t get is, wouldn’t you want a retirement? Is not running again akin to dying for her?", ">\n\nI think she still has the option to just pass the torch by way of endorsement closer to the election, but to do so early might signal that she’s not performing the job well in the interim? \nDe Leon certainly tried to oust her when he took his shot last time but that doesn’t mean it’ll be necessary this time. Must also prove challenging trying to campaign with her early if she’s not actually able to field interview requests and the like." ]

[ "Oust? Feinstein is running for re-election?! Oh c’mon!", ">\n\nAnyone in Feinstein's circle urging her to run again, are, quite frankly, more concerned about their own careers than the life and well-being of the Senator. It's cruelty for anyone in her circle to push her into running again, or not to tell her in no uncertain terms that she should not run and will not have their support if she does.", ">\n\nI wonder if anyone is pushing her to run, she has always come across as very stubborn and addicted to her seat of power when questioned by reporters.", ">\n\nThat's what I meant by \"tell her she should not run\". If she's insisting on it, her staffers should say, \"That's fine but I won't be on your team\".", ">\n\nI'm assuming even her kids are all retired at this point.\nHer grandkids must be near retirement at this point.\nEdit: she has only one child, who is 65.", ">\n\nI’ve seen speculation that it’s because women were told to have kids first then get a career in her younger years, leaving them behind their peers. As a result she’s really reluctant to back down because people tell her to. \nPelosi even seemed to plan this out, she had like 6 kids back to back and then stopped having them. She had an organized system for raising them as well.", ">\n\nPelosi will really go down as one of the greatest cat herders of all time.", ">\n\nYup. Many similarities between wandering, stubborn toddlers and headstrong congressional reps.", ">\n\nAs a former day care assistant, my toddlers were significantly better behaved and more level-headed than most Republican congressmen.", ">\n\nCleaner, too, I bet.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSen. Dianne Feinstein's colleagues aren't waiting for her to formally announce her retirement from the U.S. Senate before backing would-be successors: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has put her \"Full support\" behind Rep. Katie Porter, the Orange Country-area lawmaker and Warren protégé running to replace the 89-year-old California senator.\nWarren's early embrace of Porter's candidacy is a de facto snub of Feinstein, but also a reflection of Warren and Porter's decades-long personal and professional relationship.\nWarren took Porter, herself an aspiring law professor, under her tutelage and hired her as a researcher for one of Warren's major bankruptcy projects.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Warren^#1 Porter^#2 Feinstein^#3 Law^#4 run^#5", ">\n\nKatie Porter is one of the few I've seen articulating problems well AND trying to help. She's smart and capable.", ">\n\n\nShe's smart and capable.\n\nDamn, the two things stopping her from being electable in the eyes of 60% of America", ">\n\nShe's a woman, so that's 3.", ">\n\n89-year-old and with dimming attic lights Feinstein. \nWhile I thank her for her service, the best exit Feinstein could hope for is to be replaced by the likes of Katie Porter.", ">\n\nAgreed. The thing I don’t get is, wouldn’t you want a retirement? Is not running again akin to dying for her?", ">\n\nI think she still has the option to just pass the torch by way of endorsement closer to the election, but to do so early might signal that she’s not performing the job well in the interim? \nDe Leon certainly tried to oust her when he took his shot last time but that doesn’t mean it’ll be necessary this time. Must also prove challenging trying to campaign with her early if she’s not actually able to field interview requests and the like.", ">\n\nDe Leon's campaign was so strange to me. Like, he basically just disappeared partway through" ]