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Because he didn’t refuse to hand them over? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid"
] |
>
Not only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?"
] |
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...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered."
] |
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Yeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?"
] |
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if Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts."
] |
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Biden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.
FBI: Hand over the documents!
Biden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.
FBI: stop resisting!
Biden Lawyers: just take ‘em…
FBI: swarm! Swarm! | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that"
] |
>
Also FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop! | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!"
] |
>
I bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!"
] |
>
Could it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s"
] |
>
Biden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?"
] |
>
Biden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple."
] |
>
Sadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference."
] |
>
Top Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.
By Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden."
] |
>
...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid' | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?"
] |
>
I mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'"
] |
>
One can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found.
Particularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing.
What possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far."
] |
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Cooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?"
] |
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Yes, we know.
Unfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?"
] |
>
Maybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case). | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know."
] |
>
And Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case)."
] |
>
Lol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash."
] |
>
Cooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it."
] |
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Big distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to "DECLASIFY" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids."
] |
>
The situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse.
But Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President.
I bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone.
The situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants."
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I agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse."
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The FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden."
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Full. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?"
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Can we sticky this at the top of this subreddit? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid."
] |
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They aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself.
Biden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?"
] |
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Well for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly."
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It might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them."
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These two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time."
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No need to search when someone is willing turning over information. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with."
] |
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One actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said "hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?". | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information."
] |
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Aren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?
They risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\"."
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One is a Russian asset, the other is not. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump."
] |
>
Two big reasons:
(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.
(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not."
] |
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Oh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf."
] |
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These headlines are incredibly stupid. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history."
] |
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FBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.” | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid."
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Watch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”"
] |
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“A big distinction”?
Yeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property.
Nobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers."
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We are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked."
] |
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Democrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs"
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Because they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here."
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I support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had."
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I doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done."
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But to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them."
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You are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it."
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Yes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political."
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Welp. Your taxes, I guess. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns."
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The most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess."
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Bill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid."
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Don’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn! | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend"
] |
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Ha. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!"
] |
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Biden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal.
Trump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap."
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The classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense."
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The Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂 | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue."
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Biden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂"
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Supporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.
Trump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.
"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and "Deep state" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting."
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The government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5"
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They’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?"
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk."
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline"
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president"
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Isn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit."
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Isn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?"
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I believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them."
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“A big distinction MAY explain…”?
He fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President."
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar."
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different investigations | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had."
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They should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations"
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Gunna need probable cause
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches."
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The fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol"
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That is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere."
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Biden said Trump was "irresponsible" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄 | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house."
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2 huge problems for Biden with their approach.
"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of "well what else did you forget about?" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more?
Refusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the "gee, look what we found" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than "these are mine and I'm not giving them back" approach. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄"
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This article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it? | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach."
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Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?"
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo."
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?"
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?"
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Between certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.
But the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them"
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them",
">\n\nBetween certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.\nBut the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them."
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We will never know the true of any of this. I think Bidens ass is being covered by his insiders. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them",
">\n\nBetween certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.\nBut the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them.",
">\n\nYeah that’s illegal"
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This is nonsense. If Biden was covering his ass....they simply would not have said anything. Remember-this is Bidens team turning this stuff over that NO ONE even knew was missing. | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them",
">\n\nBetween certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.\nBut the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them.",
">\n\nYeah that’s illegal",
">\n\nWe will never know the true of any of this. I think Bidens ass is being covered by his insiders."
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Open your eyes people.... He is nothing but a puppet. He has no idea what is going on. Just listen to him... | [
"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them",
">\n\nBetween certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.\nBut the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them.",
">\n\nYeah that’s illegal",
">\n\nWe will never know the true of any of this. I think Bidens ass is being covered by his insiders.",
">\n\nThis is nonsense. If Biden was covering his ass....they simply would not have said anything. Remember-this is Bidens team turning this stuff over that NO ONE even knew was missing."
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them",
">\n\nBetween certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.\nBut the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them.",
">\n\nYeah that’s illegal",
">\n\nWe will never know the true of any of this. I think Bidens ass is being covered by his insiders.",
">\n\nThis is nonsense. If Biden was covering his ass....they simply would not have said anything. Remember-this is Bidens team turning this stuff over that NO ONE even knew was missing.",
">\n\nOpen your eyes people.... He is nothing but a puppet. He has no idea what is going on. Just listen to him..."
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"Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....",
">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.",
">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.",
">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble",
">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"",
">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.",
">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)",
">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.",
">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...",
">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.",
">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.",
">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.",
">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.",
">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"",
">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.",
">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.",
">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December",
">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.",
">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥",
">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.",
">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either.",
">\n\nValid",
">\n\nBecause he didn’t refuse to hand them over?",
">\n\nNot only didn’t refuse… self reported and handed over the next morning when discovered.",
">\n\n...Biden didn't try to lie about them, and move their location to keep them hidden from the FBI?",
">\n\nYeah, it's called the facts. Two different cases, two very different sets of facts.",
">\n\nif Trump had just given the documents back when he was asked to. he wouldn't have never been raided. I don't know why they can't just say that",
">\n\nBiden Lawyers: hey we found some documents you should take back.\nFBI: Hand over the documents!\nBiden Lawyers: yea, here ya go.\nFBI: stop resisting!\nBiden Lawyers: just take ‘em…\nFBI: swarm! Swarm!",
">\n\nAlso FBI: Look for Hunter Biden's laptop!",
">\n\nI bet they stored digital copies of the secret files on the laptop! /s",
">\n\nCould it be because Biden's team found stuff on its own and reported the problem, where Trump's team was known to be hiding stuff and was asked point blank about it and said it wasn't there?",
">\n\nBiden returned the documents he found. Trump refused to return the documents. It's very simple.",
">\n\nBiden didn't lie to the feds about having turned over all the documents. That's a pretty big difference.",
">\n\nSadly, the real difference is going to be that trump will ultimately face no consequences for his action. The GOP is going to do everything they can to impeach Biden.",
">\n\n\nTop Republicans are calling on the FBI to search President Joe Biden's home as they did Mar-a-Lago.\n\nBy Trump’s own rules, wouldn’t Biden be immune from any and all investigations until he leaves office?",
">\n\n...literally the FBI had nothing to 'raid'",
">\n\nI mean how do you know that? Biden clearly has classified material in 3 different locations so far.",
">\n\nOne can make an inference that since BIDEN HIMSELF informed the FBI of the issue, he would be forthcoming in what he’d found. \nParticularly since NARA wasn’t aware they were missing. \nWhat possible, reasonable, logical reason would he have to create a media storm around something nobody was looking for if he wasn’t going to declare and return everything he found?",
">\n\nCooperation vs A Pattern of Criminal Behavior?",
">\n\nYes, we know. \nUnfortunately Republicans don't know, don't want to know, or pretend they don't know.",
">\n\nMaybe because it's the difference between someone returning your wallet which you didn't even realize you'd lost(Biden case), and someone stealing your wallet and refusing to give it back(Trump case).",
">\n\nAnd Trump claimed it was his wallet until your ID accidentally fell out of it while he was grabbing the cash.",
">\n\nLol correct me if I’m wrong but the classified documents Trump had were actually in his house right? That would explain it.",
">\n\nCooperation from the get-go helps to avoid FBI raids.",
">\n\nBig distinction is that he self-disclosed and is cooperating... compared to just saying he has the unilateral power to \"DECLASIFY\" everything just by thinking about it and as POTUS can do whatever he wants.",
">\n\nThe situations are diffrent and what trump did was much worse. \nBut Biden apparently had these documents for years. Maybe since he was the Vice President. \nI bet there was a scramble to check for documents after trump was raided. Becuase if bidan had docs it would look bad. They found the docs and decided to wait until things cooled down to tell anyone. \nThe situation is scuzzy and even though trumps actions are worse by an order of magnitude. They are both in the wrong. Biden shouldn’t get off just cuz the other guy did something worse.",
">\n\nI agree. I don’t think anyone should get off. They should both be in trouble and I am glad DOJ is looking into Biden.",
">\n\nThe FBI doesn't raid people that cooperate... How dumb is the GOP?",
">\n\nFull. Full dumb. However a warrant properly filed signed off by a judge and presented to your lawyer prior to a search hardly counts as a raid.",
">\n\nCan we sticky this at the top of this subreddit?",
">\n\nThey aren’t comparable. Trump kept many boxes of documents he intentionally took home to his house in Florida. Trump also kept claiming they were all turned in when they weren’t because he wanted to keep them for himself. \nBiden lawyers discovered a few documents left in an old office he once occupied, and returned them promptly.",
">\n\nWell for one Biden told them what he had. Trump lied about not having them. Trumps docs were under subpoena. They didn’t know about aloes until he told them.",
">\n\nIt might be argued that trumps resistance to return the documents prove that the documents had a use to him for whatever reason. Biden's voluntary return upon discovery of the first set of documents and subsequent investigation into whether there maybe more prove due diligence to right a wrong. Both still wrong. The agency responsible for tracking classified material really needs to have their pee pee slapped as it seems mismanagement has been occurring for some time.",
">\n\nThese two incidents are only being compared by partisans and idiots with an imbalanced sense of fairness. “Classified documents” is literally the only common denominator. Every single other factor is different. It’s a fat nothingburger that’s just an opportunity for Republicans to propagandize idiots with.",
">\n\nNo need to search when someone is willing turning over information.",
">\n\nOne actively stole them and refused to give them back, and one said \"hey, I found a bunch of classified shit, shouldn't you have this?\".",
">\n\nAren’t the GOPhers still slobbering over Hunter Biden’s privates?\nThey risk whiplash with these tepid news especially with presidential candidate Trump.",
">\n\nOne is a Russian asset, the other is not.",
">\n\nTwo big reasons:\n(1) Biden cooperating with whatever protocol needs to happen.\n(2) Biden is currently president of the United States and currently has clearance. Wtf.",
">\n\nOh my god, what a freaking mystery. The FBI only got involved in with Trump when he didn’t cooperate with the Archives. This isn’t ancient history.",
">\n\nThese headlines are incredibly stupid.",
">\n\nFBI, “Hey can we search your offices and house for documents?” Biden, “Yeah sure, just don’t let the dogs out.”",
">\n\nWatch out for that shepherd, he is not a big fan officers.",
">\n\n“A big distinction”? \nYeah, Trump lied repeatedly including to the FBI and refused for a year to hand over documents and items NARA knew he still had after he personally reviewed things and has lawyers sign off that he’d returned everything. He then made shit up for months that he had magically declassified everything, claimed the FBI had “planted” documents, and spent months wasting court and taxpayer time/funds trying to claim TS documents are his personal property. \nNobody was looking for whatever Biden had, and when his staff found it they immediately reported it and turned it over w/o needing to be asked.",
">\n\nWe are all aware of this, go put this in the conservative subs",
">\n\nDemocrats don't really care. Republicans just want to shield Trump. There is no middle ground here.",
">\n\nBecause they had a reason to search Trumps house. The way he is . God only knows what secrets Trump had.",
">\n\nI support the special counsel move and I support putting both cases in front of juries and letting a competent prosecutor in each make their case and show the evidence. Let the chips fall and justice be done.",
">\n\nI doubt Bidens will go before a jury. Self reporting, no intent to take or keep, etc etc. The historical record of people being prosecuted for this almost always involves some intent to hide them or take them.",
">\n\nBut to make sure the right wingers have nothing to complain about, we should put it in front of a jury anyway. You and I both know these are different cases with different details, but the teeming masses are going to not get it.",
">\n\nYou are quite literally describing using the justice system for a political stunt. To avoid the appearance of it being political.",
">\n\nYes, and? So be it. Let the people have their circus and clowns.",
">\n\nWelp. Your taxes, I guess.",
">\n\nThe most significant difference is Trump is an attention seeker and put on a show with an FBI raid.",
">\n\nBill and Hillary, George and Laura and Barak and Michelle are going through their homes right now and thinking about having a big bonfire this weekend",
">\n\nDon’t forget Jimmy and Rosalynn!",
">\n\nHa. I figure at their age they don’t give a crap.",
">\n\nBiden did not have any rate to de-classify documents as a VP. So having them surely is illegal. \nTrump had the right to declassify as a president...this makes no sense.",
">\n\nThe classification status doesn't matter. Having things you're not allowed to have is the issue.",
">\n\nThe Left shilling for Biden is cracking me up. You guys are on full propaganda mode 😂",
">\n\nBiden is being very cooperative and didn't need a subpoena to be forced to turn things over. Not sure what the propaganda is other than the conservative outlets' ad nauseam gaslighting.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nSupporters of former President Donald Trump say Biden is getting more lenient treatment than Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago home was searched by FBI agents in search of classified documents he kept after leaving office.\nTrump has seized on the news about Biden, calling on the FBI to do the same to Biden's homes.\n\"When's the raid?? They've had months to track this stuff down. Where is the special counsel? Where's the wall to wall media coverage asking why Biden and Garland have not already been forced to recuse themselves???\" tweeted Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. Trump allies have long accused the FBI and \"Deep state\" federal government officials of harboring an anti-Trump animus, and are using the discovery of the documents in Biden's office to fuel that narrative.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump^#1 Biden^#2 documents^#3 search^#4 case^#5",
">\n\nThe government appears to have no control over secret documents. Just grab a handful, take them home and no one misses them?",
">\n\nThey’re secret because they want everyone to forget they happened secrets, not because they’re valuable secrets. You’d think letting people classify their crimes for the sole purpose of getting out of trouble would be a serious security risk.",
">\n\nThis is a total bumass headline",
">\n\nOne is not the current president",
">\n\nUh… No shit.",
">\n\nIsn’t Biden the “Current Guy”? And Dump Trump “TFG”? The current president has the right to these documents anyway, amiright?",
">\n\nIsn’t he a sitting president and currently allowed these documents? Maybe there’s a breech of protocol around the handling of them and that can be solved by such an audit and more stringent tracking. But as president he does have clearance to have them.",
">\n\nI believe the initial documents in question were from his term as Vice President.",
">\n\n“A big distinction MAY explain…”?\nHe fucking voluntarily turned them over before the FBI even knew he had them! Because he didn’t even know he had them. The “liberal” media needs to stop giving the impression that these two situations are even remotely similar.",
">\n\nIt’s a real mystery why the FBI didn’t search Biden’s home for the documents they already had.",
">\n\ndifferent investigations",
">\n\nThey should raid every house/office he has. Found them in his garage? Wtf. Anyone can break into a garage. Maybe check under his couches.",
">\n\nGunna need probable cause\nEdit: fixed probably cause lol",
">\n\nThe fact that he had some in his garage means there are probably other documents elsewhere.",
">\n\nThat is not sufficient probable cause. Just because the police find you with a blunt doesn’t mean they can then go raid your house.",
">\n\nBiden said Trump was \"irresponsible\" for doing the same thing.🙄🙄🙄",
">\n\n2 huge problems for Biden with their approach. \n\n\n\"Hey we found these classified documents in our garage\" makes them look far more compliant than Trump's team. But it also opens the door to alot more critique of \"well what else did you forget about?\" I mean if you lost these documents what else did you lose? If your claim is you didn't know about these ones then how can you assure us you haven't lost more? \n\n\nRefusing to return document is a crime. But so is mishandling. Just because you returned classified documents doesn't magically free you from the consequences of mishandling them. Furthermore, because they went the \"gee, look what we found\" approach the mishandling skepticism could even be worse than \"these are mine and I'm not giving them back\" approach.",
">\n\nThis article ignores the fact that the 2nd batch of documents were found IN HIS HOME IN DELAWARE. Instead they refer to it as “another location”. Isn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?",
">\n\n\nIsn’t that grounds to search his house if there are classified documents inside of it?\n\nNo.",
">\n\nWhy isn’t it?",
">\n\nWhy would it be?",
">\n\nBecause he’s not allowed to have them",
">\n\nBetween certain dates, although as president, he is allowed them now.\nBut the fact that he shouldn't have had them between those dates and apparently didn't intend to have them would certainly explain why they were promptly returned when discovered and why Biden then had a search conducted to identify if any further documents remained, and when that search did turn up other documents, promptly returned them.",
">\n\nYeah that’s illegal",
">\n\nWe will never know the true of any of this. I think Bidens ass is being covered by his insiders.",
">\n\nThis is nonsense. If Biden was covering his ass....they simply would not have said anything. Remember-this is Bidens team turning this stuff over that NO ONE even knew was missing.",
">\n\nOpen your eyes people.... He is nothing but a puppet. He has no idea what is going on. Just listen to him...",
">\n\nWell, one was president with legal access to classified docs while the other was not."
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Oh no. They got him!!! | [
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">\n\nRICO predicate I hope. Agree",
">\n\nI think this could be an underreported story that could potentially be rather explosive if they found a bunch of people who",
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">\n\nThey got Trevor!",
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if they find a bunch of people who 'cannot recall' because their defense is being funded by trump's campaign slush fund.
They found one: Cassidy Hutchinson
Trump was paying her legal bills at the beginning and her Trump lawyer refused to say who was funding it.
He said: “If you want to know at the end, we’ll let you know, but we’re not telling people where funding is coming from right now,”
Her lawyer told her to say she didn't recall, because "The less you remember, the better," and he told her nobody will know what she can't recall.
She finally dropped the Trump lawyer and got her own. | [
"I wonder if they’re looking at this from an obstruction/witness tampering lens?",
">\n\nThey ought to be looking at it through a criminal organization lens.",
">\n\nRICO predicate I hope. Agree",
">\n\nI think this could be an underreported story that could potentially be rather explosive if they found a bunch of people who",
">\n\nOh no. They got him!!!",
">\n\nThey got Trevor!",
">\n\nOh, Trevor... I pine for you.",
">\n\nI feel that this may be an under reported story that potentially could be rather explosive if they find a bunch of people who 'cannot recall' because their defense is being funded by trump's campaign slush fund."
] |
>
Cassidy also asked for an engagement letter with her attorney and he said it wasn't necessary. This is key evidence that he was not working for her but for the person funding him. | [
"I wonder if they’re looking at this from an obstruction/witness tampering lens?",
">\n\nThey ought to be looking at it through a criminal organization lens.",
">\n\nRICO predicate I hope. Agree",
">\n\nI think this could be an underreported story that could potentially be rather explosive if they found a bunch of people who",
">\n\nOh no. They got him!!!",
">\n\nThey got Trevor!",
">\n\nOh, Trevor... I pine for you.",
">\n\nI feel that this may be an under reported story that potentially could be rather explosive if they find a bunch of people who 'cannot recall' because their defense is being funded by trump's campaign slush fund.",
">\n\n\nif they find a bunch of people who 'cannot recall' because their defense is being funded by trump's campaign slush fund.\n\nThey found one: Cassidy Hutchinson\nTrump was paying her legal bills at the beginning and her Trump lawyer refused to say who was funding it.\nHe said: “If you want to know at the end, we’ll let you know, but we’re not telling people where funding is coming from right now,”\nHer lawyer told her to say she didn't recall, because \"The less you remember, the better,\" and he told her nobody will know what she can't recall.\nShe finally dropped the Trump lawyer and got her own."
] |
>
What’s an engagement letter? | [
"I wonder if they’re looking at this from an obstruction/witness tampering lens?",
">\n\nThey ought to be looking at it through a criminal organization lens.",
">\n\nRICO predicate I hope. Agree",
">\n\nI think this could be an underreported story that could potentially be rather explosive if they found a bunch of people who",
">\n\nOh no. They got him!!!",
">\n\nThey got Trevor!",
">\n\nOh, Trevor... I pine for you.",
">\n\nI feel that this may be an under reported story that potentially could be rather explosive if they find a bunch of people who 'cannot recall' because their defense is being funded by trump's campaign slush fund.",
">\n\n\nif they find a bunch of people who 'cannot recall' because their defense is being funded by trump's campaign slush fund.\n\nThey found one: Cassidy Hutchinson\nTrump was paying her legal bills at the beginning and her Trump lawyer refused to say who was funding it.\nHe said: “If you want to know at the end, we’ll let you know, but we’re not telling people where funding is coming from right now,”\nHer lawyer told her to say she didn't recall, because \"The less you remember, the better,\" and he told her nobody will know what she can't recall.\nShe finally dropped the Trump lawyer and got her own.",
">\n\nCassidy also asked for an engagement letter with her attorney and he said it wasn't necessary. This is key evidence that he was not working for her but for the person funding him."
] |
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