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[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\"." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?", ">\n\nThis is so scary. How did e we get here? (I know the answer but it still bewilders me)" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?", ">\n\nThis is so scary. How did e we get here? (I know the answer but it still bewilders me)", ">\n\nIf you read the article the survey includes criticism of the state of israel as anti-semitism. That is why its so high." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?", ">\n\nThis is so scary. How did e we get here? (I know the answer but it still bewilders me)", ">\n\nIf you read the article the survey includes criticism of the state of israel as anti-semitism. That is why its so high.", ">\n\nI’m disgusted with my country." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?", ">\n\nThis is so scary. How did e we get here? (I know the answer but it still bewilders me)", ">\n\nIf you read the article the survey includes criticism of the state of israel as anti-semitism. That is why its so high.", ">\n\nI’m disgusted with my country.", ">\n\nSadly, fascism is still on the rise throughout the world - from India to Italy to Israel. Two recent setbacks for it, albeit maybe temporary, are Brazil and USA." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?", ">\n\nThis is so scary. How did e we get here? (I know the answer but it still bewilders me)", ">\n\nIf you read the article the survey includes criticism of the state of israel as anti-semitism. That is why its so high.", ">\n\nI’m disgusted with my country.", ">\n\nSadly, fascism is still on the rise throughout the world - from India to Italy to Israel. Two recent setbacks for it, albeit maybe temporary, are Brazil and USA.", ">\n\nI wonder why?" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is.", ">\n\nDoes not surprise me. Growing up one of my friends was pretty antisemetic and also pretty racist against blacks. Or more against Urban blacks. No particular reason only blaming jews on killing Jesus. Never mind the fact Jesus was also jewish but that is besides the point and never mind the fact that antisemitism is only useful in who I do not want to talk to in the future. Haven't talked to this friend in over 25 years though.", ">\n\nIt’s almost like there is some kind of politically-oriented container promoting this type of thinking to their base", ">\n\nRacists: hate ethnic minorities for being unemployed, on welfare, with low education, and having kids outside of marriage.\nRacists: also hate ethnic minorities for being employed, not using welfare, with high education, and raising kids in a nuclear family.\nThe same individuals who accuse African-American and Latinos for doing poorly in education also accuse Ashkenazi Jews of \"studying too hard\" and \"not focusing on partying enough\".", ">\n\nSerious question: why?\nIs it because these people need somebody to hate, so they chose jews to be the boogeymen? It seems like such a random religious/ethnic group to start hating all of a sudden.", ">\n\nThey've been getting hate for few thousand years.", ">\n\nNo shit?", ">\n\nCan someone please explain to me why people hate Jews? It makes 0 sense to me", ">\n\nThey needed a survey for this? I live in rural Missouri. Literally all I had to do was go outside to know this.", ">\n\nBeing critical of Israel is not antisemitic, though.", ">\n\nIt depends how you are being critical.\nWhich of these statements from the survey you think is not antisemitic if affirmed?\nJews are more loyal to Israel than to America.\nIsrael treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews\nIsrael and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy\nIsrael can get away with anything because its supporters control the media.\nIsrael does not have a right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it", ">\n\nCan you even argue these loaded statements without being dismissed as an antisemite? This survey was intended to build a talking point for a political push. These surveys don't fund themselves and I would guess someone is going to push legislation based on this 'rampant' antisemitism.", ">\n\nOf course they are loaded. That is the whole point. They are softball questions intended to be beyond the pale and a lot of people actually answered yes\nBut, I am open to you arguing them. How about start with trying to explain why saying American Jews are more loyal to Israel than America is not antisemitic?", ">\n\nSure, let's work through it. The question was firstly not American Jews, but all Jews. Are Jewish people loyal to Israel? Many Jewish people have Israeli citizenship. Many in Europe, Russia, Iran and Africa have been targeted by their own governments and have already or have the option to move to Israel. Are Israeli Jews and persecuted Jews loyal to Israel? I would say a good many are. Now, none of the preceding statements are controversial and are even advertised in the article. Jews around the world are being persecuted and have a refuge in Israel. Does saying this mean someone hates Jewish people? This 'survey' tries to use ambiguity in it's wording to claim, yes.", ">\n\nI agree that it is possible that someone interpreted the question that way, but honestly, do you think that anyone heard “Jews” and actually answered with one of those particular groups of Jews in mind?", ">\n\nWell that's the point of the questions. To think of the Jewish diaspora as a monolithic entity that is purely a victim. Forget the instances where some Jewish people acted against the US for Israel, and remember Jewish people only in the context of Nazi Germany.", ">\n\nOk then.", ">\n\nSo if you are anti-israel your anti-semitic now? What a dumb survey.", ">\n\nWelcome to the ADL. \nLiterally everything offends them. They also think that the Ok emoji (along with the hand sign) and Pepe are white-power symbols and only nazis use them.", ">\n\nWe are not perfect, but if any Jewish people want to move north to Canada, we are generally welcoming !", ">\n\nyour government isn't", ">\n\nSurvey must have browsed /pol", ">\n\nYet the US gives unquestioningly to the classically fascist Israeli govt. The mental gymnastics it takes to be alive today is exhausting.", ">\n\nThe last Israeli government literally included an Arab party. What kind of fascist nation has minority representation?", ">\n\nLove to see a reference for this. All I've read about is how the new Netanyahu govt is the most right wing in the country's history.", ">\n\nWell, when one of the two (main) political parties believes in those views, I would imagine it would be quite widespread.", ">\n\nOf course it is, they're called \"Republicans\"", ">\n\nArticle behind paywall", ">\n\nNot any more", ">\n\nThanks, 12ft ladder never works on WaPo for me so curious what you use?", ">\n\nWidespread among conservative Americans \nFTFY", ">\n\nGive it 20 years and stars and stripes will 100% be as reviled as the swastika flag. This doesn't end well for anyone.", ">\n\nAre the quantum fascists really that different?", ">\n\nThis is so scary. How did e we get here? (I know the answer but it still bewilders me)", ">\n\nIf you read the article the survey includes criticism of the state of israel as anti-semitism. That is why its so high.", ">\n\nI’m disgusted with my country.", ">\n\nSadly, fascism is still on the rise throughout the world - from India to Italy to Israel. Two recent setbacks for it, albeit maybe temporary, are Brazil and USA.", ">\n\nI wonder why?", ">\n\nI see a lot of fascist tendencies from The Left, which is unsurprising considering both Mussolini and Hitler were radical Leftists" ]

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[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although..." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever.." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible.", ">\n\nIf your pants aren’t long enough to go around your boots the pant leg should sit on top of the shaft of the boot. That’s how I do it when I’m not wearing jeans." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible.", ">\n\nIf your pants aren’t long enough to go around your boots the pant leg should sit on top of the shaft of the boot. That’s how I do it when I’m not wearing jeans.", ">\n\nYea only electricians wear their pants tucked into their boots" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible.", ">\n\nIf your pants aren’t long enough to go around your boots the pant leg should sit on top of the shaft of the boot. That’s how I do it when I’m not wearing jeans.", ">\n\nYea only electricians wear their pants tucked into their boots", ">\n\n100% agree. Wearing a cowboy hat goes right along with it. If you're just going around doing day to day things, don't wear it. For work, sure. But you look like a complete douche canoe walking around the grocery store wearing it." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible.", ">\n\nIf your pants aren’t long enough to go around your boots the pant leg should sit on top of the shaft of the boot. That’s how I do it when I’m not wearing jeans.", ">\n\nYea only electricians wear their pants tucked into their boots", ">\n\n100% agree. Wearing a cowboy hat goes right along with it. If you're just going around doing day to day things, don't wear it. For work, sure. But you look like a complete douche canoe walking around the grocery store wearing it.", ">\n\nWho cares. I don't. As long as you're wearing clothes in public." ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible.", ">\n\nIf your pants aren’t long enough to go around your boots the pant leg should sit on top of the shaft of the boot. That’s how I do it when I’m not wearing jeans.", ">\n\nYea only electricians wear their pants tucked into their boots", ">\n\n100% agree. Wearing a cowboy hat goes right along with it. If you're just going around doing day to day things, don't wear it. For work, sure. But you look like a complete douche canoe walking around the grocery store wearing it.", ">\n\nWho cares. I don't. As long as you're wearing clothes in public.", ">\n\nI was told the only reason to wear pants on the inside of cowboy boots is to keep from getting shit on your pants" ]

[ "Why wear long boots if you’re just going to cover them? I don’t personally like cowboy boots, but high boots and military style 10 inch boots should be worn with your pants tucked. There’s no point in having nice and laboriously hand polished boots if you’re just going to cover them with pants. If you want to have the look pants over your boots just wear ankle high boots to begin with.", ">\n\nAnd I'm pretty sure cowboy boots were originally made tall to prevent chafing from the stirrups", ">\n\nYeah and everyone should know chaps are meant to be worn over pants to prevent your inner legs from chapping. There is no such thing as assless chaps they are meant to be worn with pants.", ">\n\nWell all chaps are assless actually. What you wear or don’t wear underneath them doesn’t determine weather they have an ass or not.", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\n\nNo pant legs, no problem!!!\n\nBut how do you feel about chaps?", ">\n\nAs long as they are assless chaps then they are all good 👍", ">\n\nAll chaps are assless", ">\n\n\nincredibly tacky clothing choice\n\nI guess it depends on if you’re viewing your boots through a lens of style or utility.\nYour boots are meant to protect your pants from getting torn, muddy, dirty, snagging on things (fencing, branches, random debris). They’re supposed to fit snuggly into stirrups while also easily sliding in and out without getting caught on any tack (which your jeans might if they’re not tucked). A lot of boots even have a heel to help kick them off quickly if you need to take them off in a hurry, which is harder to do if your pants are in the way.\nIf you’re wearing your cowboy boots for utility, they go over your pants.\nIf you’re just wearing them for looks, wear them however you want.", ">\n\nYeah, I mentioned the part about protecting your pants.", ">\n\nwhat if I dont want any airport on my pants?", ">\n\nI have never seen a person with an airport on their pants", ">\n\nThats because we tuck them in our boots", ">\n\nI think men should be wearing their cowboy boots with Daisy Duke shorts. No pant legs, no problem!!!", ">\n\nHahaha thats not unpopular. That’s the way to wear them.", ">\n\nCowboy boots should only ever be worn with very high denim cutoffs and a knotted tight shirt.", ">\n\nAnd only by people that ride horses", ">\n\nAnd rodeo bulls, in cut offs, them not the bull, although...", ">\n\nDepends on so many things. Utility purpose, type of pants being worn, etc.\nSkinny jeans, jeggings, leggings, to not tear up the pants, over.\nHonestly, good cowboy boots are expensive and should be shown off.\nI disagree and will give you your upvote.\nAll that being said, I don't even wear cowboy boots.", ">\n\nThe jeans need to be over the boot otherwise you get shit in your boot.", ">\n\nWhy would a shin length boot be designed to wear under clothing. That's really dumb", ">\n\nI think men should not tuck their jeans into their boots. It is fashionable for women to wear the boots over the jeans though.", ">\n\nThis right here! \nI don't like \"cowboy\" boots but I own tons of other boots and straight leg jeans.", ">\n\nThey call people who tuck their jeans in \"goatfuckers\" around here.", ">\n\nThat's just how you're supposed to wear them, to protect your jeans if you work outside.\nI swear people will be obnoxious snobs about anything", ">\n\nI think you're better off with pants over boots. What goes in is worse than what gets on. To each their own", ">\n\nThat is how they are supposed to be worn, so not unpopular.", ">\n\nI don't think your opinion is that unpopular. Most cowboy boot wearers wear them like you do.\nMe personally, I don't wear heals.", ">\n\nThe only incredibly tacky clothing choice I see here is wearing cowboy boots, to begin with.", ">\n\nOr just abstain from cowboy boots forever..", ">\n\nDepends on what you're doing but cowboy boots are ugly and uncomfortable. The entire hick/cowboy culture is ugly honestly.", ">\n\nI ride horses and motorcycles and find jeans get in my way in both circumstances.", ">\n\nThus necessitating people wear bootcut jeans. What a terrible aesthetic. You literally want people to dress like rodeo clowns smfh absolutely terrible.", ">\n\nIf your pants aren’t long enough to go around your boots the pant leg should sit on top of the shaft of the boot. That’s how I do it when I’m not wearing jeans.", ">\n\nYea only electricians wear their pants tucked into their boots", ">\n\n100% agree. Wearing a cowboy hat goes right along with it. If you're just going around doing day to day things, don't wear it. For work, sure. But you look like a complete douche canoe walking around the grocery store wearing it.", ">\n\nWho cares. I don't. As long as you're wearing clothes in public.", ">\n\nI was told the only reason to wear pants on the inside of cowboy boots is to keep from getting shit on your pants", ">\n\nAre there many cows to corral at the airport? You might as well be suggesting how people should wear their Wellington boots to salsa classes. Just don't do that." ]

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[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house....." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble" ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"" ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)" ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets..." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"" ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.", ">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.", ">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.", ">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December" ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.", ">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.", ">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December", ">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.", ">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.", ">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December", ">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.", ">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥" ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.", ">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.", ">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December", ">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.", ">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥", ">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic." ]

[ "Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, it's because Biden is..... cooperating? \nIf a year and half goes by, and Biden is still refusing to return classified documents, lying about classified documents that the DOJ knows he has in his possession, and is having them moved to various locations in order to not return them.... Then yea, raid his house.....", ">\n\n\"Cooperating\" makes it sound as if he's responding to an investigation. Biden is more than cooperating; he's the one who informed them they found documents.", ">\n\nFurther, i'd go so far as to say this was a pre-adversarial audit. Biden staffers were likely instructed to search for documents as if they were a GOP House appointed committed literally going through his things such that potential risk is removed from the table. Not only is it smart but it is also ethical. The absolute opposite of anything that the former guy would do.", ">\n\nAnd heck I bet he would gladly invite the FBI into his home to search for further documents. Would probably even give them some ice cream for their trouble", ">\n\nIf Republicans stay true to form they would ignore the \"invited\" part and merely Trumpet how the FBI searched his home.\nIce cream? \"Why were they investigating Brandon's freezer!\"", ">\n\nBiden was trying to bribe the FBI agents with ice cream.", ">\n\nSinister is what it is.\n(FBI agent sniffs ice cream) \"I smell vanilla with a hint of laptop...\" (Shrugs, eats ice cream, gets brain freeze, forgets why he was looking in freezer.)", ">\n\n\n... The National Archives did not know records were missing until the White House told its agents, who in turn heard it from lawyers in Biden's office who found the documents.\nUnlike in Trump's case, there is no evidence that Biden or those around him resisted returning them.", ">\n\nThe fact that NARA didn't know they were missing doesn't get brought up enough. It implies that these were not super secret items on the level of say human assets or nuclear secrets...", ">\n\nI agree. The stuff Trump had sounds like it was something you had to check out because that's how important it was to be tracked. Whereas what Biden had sounds like it was briefing material on different countries and it was classified, but not so serious that it was tracked. Most classified material people deal with isn't going to be serious enough to be tracked by the national archives, and when you're done with it, you just throw it in a burn bag.", ">\n\nI had always figured that the White House had some person who was, for lack of a better title, a 'classified document babysitter' who audited/kept track of any marked material coming in and out. If only because of the sheer scale of documents the president probably has their hands on on a daily basis, I see how it'd be easy to lose something if no one's keeping track of it.", ">\n\nDocument Control people exist in pretty much any public or private organization that makes a lot of paperwork and even with an excellent team shit can go missing, get misfiled, etc. Especially at the end of a project, I had to pitch in and help the document control people on a construction job as it wound down and it was tedious.", ">\n\nProbably what started it: Trump bragged on TV about getting love letters from Kim. The national archives were expecting to get them, and they never did. Then Trump kept stonewalling them. None of that stupid stuff happened with Obama/Biden.", ">\n\nBiden's team alerted the archives immediately when they found them and then immediately alerted them again when they found more. Trump fought both, ignored a subpoena and still has more documents that he hasnt returned. There is no \"both sides\"", ">\n\nBut weird how they found the documents in November and the story broke 2 days ago.", ">\n\nBecause they fully complied and there was no particular reason for them to bring it up? If Biden really was trying to hide it then his staff wouldn’t have been the ones to reach out to the archives saying “hey we found stuff that shouldn’t be here and you didn’t ask for, where should we send it”. It’s pretty common for documents to show up given the sheer number of briefings certain officials have, it’s the whole reason the archives tracks that kind of stuff, and unless the recovered docs are pertinent to national security it usually ends there.\nHell the whole Trump document retrieval had been in progress for over a year before anybody knew about it, and thats only because it’s kind of hard to hide an FBI search and seizure at a former President’s residence. If he had just given up the docs in full at initial request it may not have even been reported on.", ">\n\nWithout mentioning the T word, can you explain why people should not be informed that a president is illegally keeping top secret classified documents with intel on UK, Iran, and Ukraine? It seems shady, especially since they found a couple more sets of them in his house in December", ">\n\nIt would have been shady if he DIDN'T self-report that the documents existed and immediately turn them in - especially if he were a FORMER president who LIED multiple times and fought in court to try to keep them. Now THAT would be shady as hell. \nAt least that's what true American patriots are saying.", ">\n\nI agree that would be shadier. But having the docs in the first place is still questionable. Let’s also not pretend joe Biden has never lied 🤥", ">\n\nBiden didn’t require a subpoena?\nGuess that’s the logic.", ">\n\nAlso, Biden hasn't falsely responded to a subpoena either." ]